1 00:00:05,980 --> 00:00:08,110 All right, everybody off at seven o'clock on the 2 00:00:08,110 --> 00:00:11,830 dot, so we'll go ahead and get started. Thank you 3 00:00:11,830 --> 00:00:17,350 all for attending this workshop. In the library's 4 00:00:17,350 --> 00:00:20,440 ongoing webinar series tonight, we'll be talking 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,130 about appx, more specifically APA Seventh Edition 6 00:00:24,460 --> 00:00:27,730 and its distinguishing features as opposed to the 7 00:00:27,730 --> 00:00:31,870 sixth edition. My name is Meghan Vélez and I am an 8 00:00:31,870 --> 00:00:34,720 assistant professor of the practice in improvable 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,750 worldwide College of Arts and Sciences. And I also 10 00:00:37,750 --> 00:00:40,720 oversee the Virtual Communication Lab, which is an 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,590 online tutoring center dedicated to helping 12 00:00:44,590 --> 00:00:47,230 students in the area of communication, whether 13 00:00:47,230 --> 00:00:50,440 that's writing, speaking or visual and digital 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,770 communication. I am joined this evening by Kenneth 15 00:00:53,770 --> 00:00:57,430 Marlan, who is one of our fantastic faculty tutors 16 00:00:57,430 --> 00:01:00,220 in the vehicle. And so we will be sharing some 17 00:01:00,220 --> 00:01:03,850 information about APA seven that's also informed by 18 00:01:03,850 --> 00:01:06,310 some of the most frequently asked questions that 19 00:01:06,310 --> 00:01:09,970 students bring to us in the lab. So I'm going to 20 00:01:09,970 --> 00:01:12,500 start things off by sharing my screen, I'll 21 00:01:12,550 --> 00:01:19,070 provide a little bit of an overview of our. Our 22 00:01:19,070 --> 00:01:23,720 agenda, our goals for this evening and I will turn 23 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:29,430 things over to Mr. Marlon. For a deep dive into a 24 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:30,600 seventh edition. 25 00:01:39,710 --> 00:01:41,630 Colonel, I'm getting my screen up, did you need 26 00:01:41,630 --> 00:01:41,960 any? 27 00:01:45,330 --> 00:01:47,400 He's mocking me in the shop for calling him 28 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,930 fantastic. All right, can you see my screen? You 29 00:01:51,930 --> 00:01:55,260 can feel free to unmuted or give me a yes we can't. 30 00:01:55,470 --> 00:01:56,730 Perfect. OK. 31 00:02:01,070 --> 00:02:03,320 All right, so as I said, we're here to talk about 32 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,590 APA Seventh Edition, just a quick overview of the 33 00:02:06,590 --> 00:02:09,350 goals for this evening. I'm going to give a really 34 00:02:09,350 --> 00:02:12,950 brief introduction to the seventh edition of Appx. 35 00:02:13,250 --> 00:02:16,880 A little bit of history. More importantly, I'm 36 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,390 going to share some resources for appx seventh 37 00:02:20,390 --> 00:02:23,330 edition that should be helpful for you, whether 38 00:02:23,330 --> 00:02:27,560 you are a faculty member or student or someone who 39 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,880 works regularly with faculty or students. And then 40 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,550 I'll turn things over. As I said to Mr. Marlan, 41 00:02:34,550 --> 00:02:36,620 who will talk about some of the most notable 42 00:02:36,620 --> 00:02:40,130 changes in APA Seventh Edition, the way that we've 43 00:02:40,130 --> 00:02:43,370 organized that notable changes section of the 44 00:02:43,370 --> 00:02:45,700 evening is that we'll start with some of the 45 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,550 higher level changes that apply to the whole 46 00:02:49,550 --> 00:02:52,010 document, things like formatting and font and 47 00:02:52,010 --> 00:02:54,830 title page, things like that. Then we'll work our 48 00:02:54,830 --> 00:02:58,550 way slowly to some of the more minuit, more 49 00:02:58,550 --> 00:03:02,030 detailed changes. So once we get to that section, 50 00:03:02,540 --> 00:03:05,240 if you have questions or need us to linger a 51 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,000 little bit longer on our on our top 10 or top 52 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,820 eight list, whatever number we have on any of 53 00:03:10,850 --> 00:03:13,460 those items, let us know. We'll stop and talk 54 00:03:13,460 --> 00:03:18,860 about the item we have on on the screen before we 55 00:03:18,860 --> 00:03:22,310 move on to the progressively more detailed changes. 56 00:03:28,330 --> 00:03:31,840 So one of the things that's most notable or most 57 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,600 important to keep in mind with the APA seventh 58 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,940 edition is that there are a lot of really positive 59 00:03:36,940 --> 00:03:41,650 changes in terms of the manual, in terms of of the 60 00:03:41,650 --> 00:03:44,200 amount of resources that are available to students 61 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,840 and faculty who are new to APA or just new to the 62 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,440 seventh edition. And one of the things that the 63 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:55,210 APA guidelines have really become with this new 64 00:03:55,210 --> 00:03:58,810 edition of the manual is really a distinct set of 65 00:03:58,810 --> 00:04:02,380 standards and distinct set of advice for student 66 00:04:02,380 --> 00:04:05,320 papers versus professional publications. So it 67 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,470 seems like APA has really come to realize that 68 00:04:08,470 --> 00:04:10,960 they're not just used by folks who are publishing 69 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,360 journal articles and professional publications, 70 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,510 that they're increasingly used by students who are 71 00:04:16,510 --> 00:04:18,730 handing in work. That's not going to be published 72 00:04:18,730 --> 00:04:21,490 in the journal. And the publication guidelines are 73 00:04:21,490 --> 00:04:25,120 starting to reflect those two distinct purposes 74 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,390 and audiences. So one of the things as a faculty 75 00:04:28,390 --> 00:04:31,270 member that you will definitely want to consider 76 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,270 when you are assigning APA is whether you are 77 00:04:34,270 --> 00:04:37,540 holding students to the student paper guidelines 78 00:04:37,900 --> 00:04:40,600 or the guidelines for professional publication. 79 00:04:41,230 --> 00:04:43,600 And your answer to that question may depend on 80 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,260 what kind of classes you normally teach and what 81 00:04:47,260 --> 00:04:50,200 the actual assignment is that you're teaching. But 82 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,090 you definitely want to communicate those 83 00:04:52,090 --> 00:04:55,990 expectations clearly to your students. And if 84 00:04:55,990 --> 00:04:58,210 you're a student on the call with us this evening, 85 00:04:58,210 --> 00:05:00,430 you will definitely want to double check with your 86 00:05:00,430 --> 00:05:03,850 instructor whether they are holding you to 87 00:05:03,850 --> 00:05:07,390 professional or student paper guidelines. And 88 00:05:07,390 --> 00:05:10,150 those guidelines differ on things like the look of 89 00:05:10,180 --> 00:05:12,310 the title page and the content that's included 90 00:05:12,310 --> 00:05:15,270 there, whether you include or running head or not. 91 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:17,290 I know that for those of us who are coming from 92 00:05:17,290 --> 00:05:20,500 Sixth Edition or running head can sometimes be a 93 00:05:20,500 --> 00:05:23,380 headache. And as well as the presence of things 94 00:05:23,380 --> 00:05:27,010 like author notes and abstracts, we'll get into 95 00:05:27,010 --> 00:05:29,710 more of those kinds of details a little bit later 96 00:05:29,710 --> 00:05:31,750 this evening. But those are the decisions that 97 00:05:31,750 --> 00:05:33,880 you'll want to make as a faculty member and make 98 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,940 sure that you check up on as a student to make 99 00:05:36,940 --> 00:05:38,860 sure that you are adhering to the correct set of 100 00:05:38,860 --> 00:05:41,230 guidelines for your context. 101 00:05:47,180 --> 00:05:50,450 As promised, I wanted to share some resources for 102 00:05:50,450 --> 00:05:53,270 April seventh edition, we have a limited time 103 00:05:53,270 --> 00:05:56,180 together this evening. But one of the things that 104 00:05:56,180 --> 00:05:59,120 I think is invaluable about the seventh edition of 105 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,940 APA is the revamped APA style website. Partially, 106 00:06:03,950 --> 00:06:07,610 this is due to having a lot of folks paying 107 00:06:07,610 --> 00:06:09,980 attention to the digital edition and digital 108 00:06:09,980 --> 00:06:13,070 supplements to the manual because it's twenty, 109 00:06:13,070 --> 00:06:16,160 twenty one. But also this is partly due to 110 00:06:16,670 --> 00:06:20,510 covid-19 and some moves that the APA style folks 111 00:06:21,050 --> 00:06:24,080 made in twenty twenty to make sure that people had 112 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,610 access to the AP seventh edition information, even 113 00:06:28,610 --> 00:06:30,710 when things like supply chains and shipping were 114 00:06:30,710 --> 00:06:33,920 really messed up. So if you're not already in the 115 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,310 habit of using the revamped APA style website, I 116 00:06:37,310 --> 00:06:40,160 can't recommend it enough. It's almost as good as 117 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,830 the manual now. It includes annotated sample 118 00:06:42,830 --> 00:06:46,400 papers, as well as downloadable paper templates 119 00:06:47,060 --> 00:06:49,700 for students to use. Whether you're using the 120 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,090 student guidelines or professional guidelines, it 121 00:06:53,090 --> 00:06:56,600 has really detailed information and examples on 122 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,020 style citation, paper format, preferences for 123 00:07:00,020 --> 00:07:02,420 grammar and word choice, everything that you can 124 00:07:02,420 --> 00:07:06,260 think of. And it also highlights the guidelines 125 00:07:06,260 --> 00:07:08,870 and recommendations that are new for Seventh 126 00:07:08,870 --> 00:07:11,900 Edition updated or just the same from the sixth 127 00:07:11,900 --> 00:07:14,750 edition. So really quickly, I'm going to share 128 00:07:14,750 --> 00:07:16,610 that with you all as well. And I'm also going to 129 00:07:16,610 --> 00:07:18,860 drop this link into the chat so that you can 130 00:07:19,490 --> 00:07:24,150 bookmark it. Before I do that, just a quick 131 00:07:24,150 --> 00:07:26,940 introduction to the Apostol website, it's just 132 00:07:26,940 --> 00:07:31,590 APA style that APG, where you'll want to go is 133 00:07:31,590 --> 00:07:35,370 the style and grammar guidelines area and you can 134 00:07:35,370 --> 00:07:39,120 see it's organized by sections. So if you just 135 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,370 have questions about tables and figures, that's 136 00:07:41,370 --> 00:07:44,610 right here. But for instance, if you want to look 137 00:07:44,610 --> 00:07:45,780 at references. 138 00:07:48,650 --> 00:07:53,480 You have much more information here than you did 139 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,930 with the 6th edition. So let's look at some 140 00:07:56,930 --> 00:07:57,800 examples. 141 00:08:00,270 --> 00:08:02,790 These are organized by type of source. 142 00:08:05,530 --> 00:08:08,620 And we have examples for all of these different 143 00:08:08,620 --> 00:08:12,010 types, so this is actually a more robust resource 144 00:08:12,010 --> 00:08:15,040 now than something like the Purdue owl and you 145 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,420 actually also have the exact location of where the 146 00:08:19,420 --> 00:08:22,330 same information is located in the application 147 00:08:22,330 --> 00:08:24,550 publication manual, 75th Edition. And you can see 148 00:08:24,550 --> 00:08:27,280 that this guidance has been revised slightly from 149 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,920 the 6th edition. So it has this little icon here. 150 00:08:31,430 --> 00:08:36,200 And you can see every single example has. A 151 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,800 detailed explanation and the corresponding 152 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,930 parenthetical in narrative citations. 153 00:08:44,130 --> 00:08:46,140 So whether you're a student or a faculty member, I 154 00:08:46,140 --> 00:08:49,260 really recommend just having the site, even if you 155 00:08:49,260 --> 00:08:51,450 don't already keep the manual next to you when 156 00:08:51,450 --> 00:08:54,060 you're working, having this site bookmarked in 157 00:08:54,060 --> 00:08:59,340 handy is really, really helpful just for the 158 00:08:59,340 --> 00:09:01,980 wealth of information that it provides compared to 159 00:09:02,340 --> 00:09:07,100 its predecessor with the 6th edition. So they said, 160 00:09:07,110 --> 00:09:09,470 I'm going to put that link in the chat right now. 161 00:09:10,020 --> 00:09:13,350 I'm also going to turn things at this point over 162 00:09:13,350 --> 00:09:17,130 to Ken Marlan to show us some of the ins and outs 163 00:09:17,130 --> 00:09:21,120 of sixth to seventh edition and some of the major 164 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,100 changes that have occurred in that shift. 165 00:09:26,130 --> 00:09:29,940 And put that link in the chart for you, all right, 166 00:09:29,940 --> 00:09:33,300 now take it away, Mr. Marlan. All right. Thank you, 167 00:09:33,300 --> 00:09:37,730 doc. Appreciate it. Thank you for showing us that. 168 00:09:39,310 --> 00:09:43,680 All right, so life. Like Doc Megan was just 169 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:46,830 telling us, ladies and gentlemen, if you are 170 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,250 teaching or if you're helping with students or you 171 00:09:50,250 --> 00:09:53,400 are a student, that's the whole reason that we're 172 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,880 doing this tonight and we're talking to all of you, 173 00:09:55,890 --> 00:09:59,730 OK? And so I'm going to talk about, like she said, 174 00:10:00,390 --> 00:10:02,290 some of the changes. But I'm also going to give 175 00:10:02,290 --> 00:10:06,770 you a little bit of wear also like she's done. And 176 00:10:06,830 --> 00:10:11,550 and folks, I will tell you, this is a huge deal 177 00:10:11,550 --> 00:10:15,850 for either one of us to to highly recommend to OK 178 00:10:16,020 --> 00:10:20,480 because of the last edition. And so that she just 179 00:10:20,580 --> 00:10:24,420 just showed you is an excellent one. And the book 180 00:10:24,420 --> 00:10:27,390 itself that I'm going to talk about, the manual is 181 00:10:27,390 --> 00:10:31,500 also excellent, folks. And so please buy into that. 182 00:10:31,740 --> 00:10:32,100 OK. 183 00:10:34,540 --> 00:10:38,860 So I want to talk about some important wearer's, 184 00:10:39,550 --> 00:10:42,670 so if you'll let me share my screen, hold on. Just 185 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:43,720 a. There it is. 186 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:48,920 But. 187 00:10:52,270 --> 00:10:54,910 All right, super. Would somebody give me a verbal 188 00:10:54,910 --> 00:10:58,340 that you can see that title page, please? Yes, sir. 189 00:10:58,670 --> 00:11:01,880 All right, super, super, super, super. OK, so. 190 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,810 OK, so there's a there's a few places that it 191 00:11:17,810 --> 00:11:21,680 would be good to to write these down, but if 192 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:26,240 you're following along with me, then it will. You 193 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,730 can see it up here on this document also, OK? 194 00:11:31,110 --> 00:11:33,810 The big deal that I always talk about with 195 00:11:33,810 --> 00:11:37,320 students is the audio visual folks, and what we 196 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,140 have in the manual now is an audio visual. It's 197 00:11:40,140 --> 00:11:44,190 very, very clear about, OK, this is what a student 198 00:11:44,190 --> 00:11:47,500 paper looks like. It's like somebody took a copy 199 00:11:47,510 --> 00:11:51,180 or just copied it. If a student has the four 200 00:11:51,780 --> 00:11:54,480 edition, it's on page sixty one. If it's concise 201 00:11:54,930 --> 00:11:58,110 edition, it's page twenty six. And then if they 202 00:11:58,110 --> 00:12:01,950 have a PDF to have no pages, it's chapter two. And 203 00:12:01,950 --> 00:12:04,350 reason I stress this is again because it's a 204 00:12:04,350 --> 00:12:07,800 visual thing about this is what it looks like. And 205 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,440 I have found in dealing with a lot of students 206 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,230 already on the 7th that they have one of those 207 00:12:13,230 --> 00:12:17,610 moments where they go, wow, now I get it back. And 208 00:12:17,610 --> 00:12:20,070 so so that's why I want you all to see that. All 209 00:12:20,070 --> 00:12:24,420 right. And then they actually have now an 210 00:12:24,420 --> 00:12:29,130 annotated bibliography example. OK, where in the. 211 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:35,160 It's on page three. It's on page five. OK, pdf. 212 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:42,150 Yes, would be Chapter nine. OK. I don't know how 213 00:12:42,180 --> 00:12:42,570 Mr.. 214 00:12:46,090 --> 00:12:53,080 Also in in the APA, there's an abstract example in 215 00:12:53,380 --> 00:12:56,860 Chapter one on the PDF, page 13 with no picture 216 00:12:56,950 --> 00:12:59,230 and a concise but in the forward edition, which is 217 00:12:59,230 --> 00:13:02,350 what most students have. It's page thirty eight. 218 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,190 Now, having said all of that, ladies and gentlemen, 219 00:13:06,190 --> 00:13:09,790 here's the big one. OK, these two right here are 220 00:13:09,790 --> 00:13:15,970 the big ones right on the APA manual. Chapter 221 00:13:15,970 --> 00:13:20,320 nine shows the generic parts of a generic resource 222 00:13:21,130 --> 00:13:24,090 on the references page and parenthetical sites. 223 00:13:24,550 --> 00:13:28,720 And then in all of those editions, that's where 224 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,900 you find it. But the real gold mine itself is 225 00:13:32,350 --> 00:13:35,200 where you have some very specific examples, ladies 226 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,340 and gentlemen, of of just like on the electronic 227 00:13:39,340 --> 00:13:45,130 website, the Internet Web site in the four. APA 228 00:13:45,140 --> 00:13:48,200 manual, its chapters 10 and 11, because they put 229 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,310 the legal documents in Chapter 11, OK, and then on 230 00:13:52,310 --> 00:13:55,770 the concise, it's all Chapter 10 and then the PDF, 231 00:13:55,770 --> 00:13:59,810 that's also chapters 10 and 11. OK, here's the big 232 00:13:59,810 --> 00:14:04,460 deal on all of this is I have found that if I can 233 00:14:04,460 --> 00:14:08,570 tell a student where these things are and it's 234 00:14:08,570 --> 00:14:12,020 very helpful for them and they can find themselves 235 00:14:12,410 --> 00:14:16,490 as far as what they're looking for to fix. OK, and 236 00:14:16,490 --> 00:14:22,220 so I wanted you to see those so that you also can 237 00:14:22,700 --> 00:14:26,490 write those down and have them. Let's see. 238 00:14:30,530 --> 00:14:33,800 Now, have I have I generated any questions from 239 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:34,940 anybody on those? 240 00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:40,020 Any questions from anyone on those? 241 00:14:43,500 --> 00:14:47,250 Nothing in the charts so far. OK. All right, we 242 00:14:47,250 --> 00:14:50,610 have a request for you to share that document. OK. 243 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:55,540 All right, super. I will let miss. Miss Karen, 244 00:14:56,170 --> 00:15:00,000 copy that. I mean, put it in her presentation, OK? 245 00:15:01,590 --> 00:15:03,420 Great, thanks, I'll send it with the recording 246 00:15:03,420 --> 00:15:10,930 link. All right. Yes, perfect. OK, let's see. Or 247 00:15:10,930 --> 00:15:13,590 any other OK, any other questions about that, 248 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,610 ladies and gentlemen? Because I want to jump into 249 00:15:16,850 --> 00:15:20,770 the real meat of this thing now. OK. But at. 250 00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:26,520 OK, here, here's a bird's eye view of the title 251 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,720 page. Talk about a few things on the title page, 252 00:15:30,690 --> 00:15:34,980 you'll notice that again, like like Megan kind of 253 00:15:35,370 --> 00:15:38,460 alluded to a little bit, there is no more running 254 00:15:38,460 --> 00:15:41,340 head on a student paper. OK, on the student 255 00:15:41,340 --> 00:15:44,610 version of APA, there's no running head. The only 256 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:47,160 thing in the running head is the page numbers. It 257 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,250 doesn't matter if it's page one to page thirty 258 00:15:50,290 --> 00:15:54,330 seven, whatever. There's no running good any more 259 00:15:54,340 --> 00:15:56,990 other. All you got, all you have in there is just 260 00:15:56,990 --> 00:16:00,270 the page number. OK, another big thing that I want 261 00:16:00,270 --> 00:16:04,590 you to notice, ladies and gentlemen, is let me 262 00:16:04,590 --> 00:16:05,880 zoom up just a little bit now. 263 00:16:08,650 --> 00:16:11,680 There's no longer an author's note, OK, because 264 00:16:11,770 --> 00:16:16,030 almost all of that is in there on that on the main 265 00:16:16,030 --> 00:16:20,200 part of the title page, no notice. Notice that the 266 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,710 title of the essay is bolded. And the other thing 267 00:16:23,710 --> 00:16:26,740 that's kind of different is there's an extra line 268 00:16:26,740 --> 00:16:31,000 space between that title and your name as just as 269 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,760 the writer of the essay. Notice how they've got 270 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,910 the institution, the course name and then the 271 00:16:36,910 --> 00:16:40,720 students name. The authors name of the piece. I'm 272 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,990 sorry, the professor or the instructor. I'll get 273 00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:48,250 it right here, OK? And then the date line. And so 274 00:16:48,970 --> 00:16:51,970 so it's it's vastly different from what it used to 275 00:16:51,970 --> 00:16:56,500 be for the six tradition. Right. The huge deal for 276 00:16:56,500 --> 00:16:59,560 most students to get is that that title of the 277 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:04,870 essays bolded and then an extra line space. OK, so 278 00:17:04,870 --> 00:17:08,470 those are the two big ones in addition to no more 279 00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:09,770 running head, OK. 280 00:17:11,950 --> 00:17:17,380 Also on this part, folks, the seventh AP now has 281 00:17:17,380 --> 00:17:21,610 given a little bit of latitude on on the font and 282 00:17:21,610 --> 00:17:25,960 the pitch. It does say that a student can write an 283 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,220 eleven point five and Canaveri. But here it Emory, 284 00:17:30,460 --> 00:17:33,280 as most all of you know, if you're teaching here 285 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,270 especially, we still insist upon times the Roman 286 00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:40,720 and a picture 12 got. Megan, you have something on 287 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:40,930 that? 288 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,420 Yeah, so just a little bit of context on this 289 00:17:46,420 --> 00:17:50,290 particular change, and we'll get to another change 290 00:17:50,290 --> 00:17:53,680 that is in a similar vein later. One of the the 291 00:17:54,460 --> 00:17:56,890 the kinds of changes I mentioned earlier that the 292 00:17:56,890 --> 00:18:00,040 EPA seems to be having a broader awareness of the 293 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,190 importance of digital resources and readability 294 00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:07,120 for texts now than they did when the sixth edition 295 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:09,880 came out. And so this is one of those things 296 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:15,070 Colibri and other sans serif fonts have been shown 297 00:18:15,070 --> 00:18:17,530 to be more reader friendly when you're reading on 298 00:18:17,530 --> 00:18:20,440 a screen, whereas our good old times, New Roman is 299 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,640 a friendlier font for reading in print. And so 300 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,290 it's so many documents are read digitally. Now, 301 00:18:26,860 --> 00:18:29,860 the APA and other style guidelines are more 302 00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:34,030 accepting of sans serif fonts like Colibri and 303 00:18:34,030 --> 00:18:38,050 Aryal. So if you get student questions about these, 304 00:18:38,050 --> 00:18:41,230 technically they are allowed in the seventh 305 00:18:41,230 --> 00:18:44,980 edition. So that's a requirement. If you are 306 00:18:44,980 --> 00:18:48,730 loading your students to times New Roman size 12, 307 00:18:48,970 --> 00:18:50,800 you'll definitely want to make that clear. 308 00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:53,590 Otherwise, you'll probably have some conflict 309 00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:57,430 between your expectations in the manual. All right, 310 00:18:57,490 --> 00:19:02,820 thank you, doc. Appreciate that. All right, so. 311 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,420 And I want to I want to say talk about a couple 312 00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:19,460 other changes. Not only is the title of the essay 313 00:19:19,460 --> 00:19:22,250 bolded, but when you get to the body title of the 314 00:19:22,250 --> 00:19:24,860 essay, it's bolded. Any other headings that you 315 00:19:24,860 --> 00:19:28,680 use are bolded. The nice thing about the new IPA 316 00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:32,180 manual is when you want to talk about heading 317 00:19:32,180 --> 00:19:35,660 levels, it's two places in the manual, the most 318 00:19:35,660 --> 00:19:39,350 readily accessible. One is the one. When a student 319 00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:42,020 opens the cover, it's on the back of the front 320 00:19:42,020 --> 00:19:44,540 cover. And so the heading levels are right there 321 00:19:44,540 --> 00:19:47,770 for him or her to to really pick up how they 322 00:19:47,780 --> 00:19:52,090 should look. But the big deal on the headings is 323 00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:54,510 that they're all bolted and that means on the 324 00:19:54,510 --> 00:19:57,840 references page. Ladies and gentlemen, when I read 325 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,040 references, it's bolded. OK, so let me make a 326 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,140 minor adjustment here. 327 00:20:31,290 --> 00:20:32,370 I apologize. OK. 328 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,270 All right, so the next thing I want to talk about 329 00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:50,910 is, is the references page. OK, so let me let me 330 00:20:50,910 --> 00:20:51,660 do something here. 331 00:20:58,870 --> 00:21:03,190 All right, so on the references page, there's a 332 00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:06,550 few things that are like really big, huge, if I 333 00:21:06,550 --> 00:21:10,380 can get away with, say, big, big, huge. Right. OK, 334 00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:14,650 one of the biggest ones for me to go on through as 335 00:21:14,650 --> 00:21:18,910 as as as an instructor is all of the you know, the 336 00:21:18,910 --> 00:21:22,030 hyperlinks on the references page. Now, the 337 00:21:22,030 --> 00:21:26,500 hyperlinks are allowed to be doing underlined and 338 00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:29,590 however the machine breaks it up, folks is fine, 339 00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:34,300 according to APA. And so however that hyperlink 340 00:21:34,300 --> 00:21:37,210 ends up on the page is just the way that it ends 341 00:21:37,210 --> 00:21:43,180 up. OK, now. Yes. Are you sharing one? Because we 342 00:21:43,180 --> 00:21:46,430 can't see your document, right? No, ma'am, not yet. 343 00:21:46,580 --> 00:21:49,120 I was I want to talk about something first for the 344 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:51,910 big reveal. OK, we got it. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry about 345 00:21:51,910 --> 00:21:58,120 that. OK. OK. All right. So and so. I want to hear 346 00:21:58,120 --> 00:22:01,240 that. OK, especially if if you're teaching that 347 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,090 that's something that's kind of a shocker because 348 00:22:04,090 --> 00:22:08,630 I used to be, you know. Really. You know, just hot 349 00:22:08,650 --> 00:22:12,760 on stream, it's about making sure that there's no 350 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,380 bullying, no underlying break it up, break it up, 351 00:22:17,380 --> 00:22:21,550 so that it breaks almost evenly for the page. Well, 352 00:22:21,730 --> 00:22:25,750 that's a no more saying, OK, the second other big 353 00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:31,300 one is retrieved the retrieved date. I still have 354 00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:35,620 students even even just today was Graden and had 355 00:22:35,620 --> 00:22:39,370 one that said accessed on or accessed date or 356 00:22:39,370 --> 00:22:42,580 something like that. Folks, all of that is gone. 357 00:22:42,580 --> 00:22:48,040 And less and less the website that does in fact 358 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,780 have there has data that changes and changes often. 359 00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:55,290 You know, if there was some kind of systematics 360 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:58,990 Web site, you know, that something that might 361 00:22:58,990 --> 00:23:03,220 change your daily or weekly or whatever, then then 362 00:23:03,220 --> 00:23:06,490 we're expecting to retrieve date. And the APA was 363 00:23:06,490 --> 00:23:10,290 very, very clear on that. When you look at that 364 00:23:10,510 --> 00:23:13,360 Chapter nine, especially, OK, where it talks about 365 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:17,320 the generic cards, but those are the two big ones 366 00:23:17,650 --> 00:23:22,150 on the references page is is that change? And so 367 00:23:22,540 --> 00:23:25,240 I'll show you a little bit of example of one on my 368 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,440 annotated bibliography to hold on. It's really 369 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,450 something that I'm thinking is probably already 370 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:32,260 real, Clarkie. 371 00:23:34,430 --> 00:23:38,950 But just so you see it. OK. See how I got that 372 00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:43,190 blue ink there? OK. And on this one here, and this 373 00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:45,410 one just happened to break nicely for some odd 374 00:23:45,410 --> 00:23:51,410 reason for Williams. OK, but I no longer, as a 375 00:23:51,410 --> 00:23:53,420 student or a writer, no longer have to be 376 00:23:53,420 --> 00:23:55,550 concerned about removing the blue ink or the 377 00:23:55,550 --> 00:24:01,970 underlining stuff there. OK, or super. All right. 378 00:24:01,970 --> 00:24:02,330 Now. 379 00:24:05,870 --> 00:24:07,820 Making those are all the major ones. 380 00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:13,150 We want to get to the minor ones, let me know. OK. 381 00:24:14,830 --> 00:24:17,170 All right, before we get from some of these bigger 382 00:24:17,170 --> 00:24:21,640 picture ideas to some of the smaller ones, does 383 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,440 anyone have any questions for us and what we've 384 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,610 gone through so far? 385 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:33,630 And if not, then we'll get to the advanced the 386 00:24:33,770 --> 00:24:37,400 advanced course. OK, we've got a negative. 387 00:24:39,890 --> 00:24:43,370 OK. All right, looks like we are good to keep 388 00:24:43,370 --> 00:24:45,420 going, but I'll keep monitoring the chat in case 389 00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:47,360 anyone wants to pop questions in there as we 390 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:50,270 continue. OK, so. 391 00:24:55,860 --> 00:24:59,430 Yes, here's here's another one of the minor ones. 392 00:25:00,210 --> 00:25:06,120 Ladies and gentlemen, is the expression at all 393 00:25:06,660 --> 00:25:12,650 attali that et al, period. For the parenthetical 394 00:25:12,650 --> 00:25:17,630 sites, if there are three or more authors for a 395 00:25:17,630 --> 00:25:21,800 resource, then the writer uses that at all. You're 396 00:25:22,110 --> 00:25:26,690 the first author and then at all. Here's the 397 00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:29,420 really huge, big deal about that. Ladies and 398 00:25:29,420 --> 00:25:32,630 gentlemen, this one is bothersome, but it is the 399 00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:39,620 APA, OK, on the references page. If it's 20 or 400 00:25:39,620 --> 00:25:43,730 fewer authors on the references page, you list 401 00:25:43,730 --> 00:25:50,010 every single one of those authors. OK. It's crazy, 402 00:25:50,620 --> 00:25:55,090 but if it's 20 or fewer, you got a list. Let me 403 00:25:55,090 --> 00:26:00,730 say that you got to list all 20 of. Before you can 404 00:26:00,730 --> 00:26:03,520 use that call, when you get to that twenty first 405 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,190 author, which is kind of rare, then you can use 406 00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:10,630 that call and the references page. All right. Now, 407 00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:14,230 here's another big one that we've had students 408 00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:17,320 struggling with already. So I want to be very 409 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:23,470 clear on the journal title. It's supposed to be a 410 00:26:23,470 --> 00:26:29,950 tower sized. And then you have your normal 411 00:26:29,950 --> 00:26:33,890 capitalization schema. And then, of course, the 412 00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:38,330 article is regular print. No, no, no 413 00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:41,480 capitalization, except for first words and proper 414 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,790 noun, proper nouns, et cetera. Here's here's what 415 00:26:45,790 --> 00:26:48,430 has been here. 416 00:26:53,150 --> 00:26:57,920 Yes, yes, Miss Nancy, that means yes, if there's 417 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,830 20 or fewer authors, you got to write them all on 418 00:27:00,830 --> 00:27:05,480 the reference page. Yes, you can use it all in the 419 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,940 parenthetical site if it's three or more. But, 420 00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:12,200 yeah, that reference page is something else when 421 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,350 it comes to that many authors, you know. Now 422 00:27:16,380 --> 00:27:20,550 getting back to the journal, so here's the catch, 423 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:26,280 if it is a website, if it's a website. What my 424 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,000 what students have been getting confused on is the 425 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,880 parents, in other words, if I have a website from 426 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,640 the American Cancer Society, I'll have the author 427 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,520 listed the date. I'll have the subject. 428 00:27:40,990 --> 00:27:43,840 Wine or whatever you call it, for that site, and 429 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,730 then I'll have the parent in this case, the 430 00:27:45,730 --> 00:27:48,790 American Cancer Society. Here's the interesting 431 00:27:48,790 --> 00:27:54,790 thing. It switches. And so that subject title will 432 00:27:54,790 --> 00:27:59,770 be italicized. And you know, that lower case 433 00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:03,460 capitalization schema, the parent will be straight 434 00:28:03,460 --> 00:28:09,450 up regular print and capitalized with the normally. 435 00:28:09,490 --> 00:28:15,250 OK, and so it gets pretty interesting that when 436 00:28:16,210 --> 00:28:18,340 you are going to show an example of that, would 437 00:28:18,340 --> 00:28:22,360 you please? Yes, ma'am. Yes. Yeah, I've got one. 438 00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:25,050 But you probably get one that's better than mine. 439 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,310 Yours are probably good. OK, 440 00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:35,040 so here's the first one, the Journal article, and 441 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,200 those of you that are familiar with AIPA Sixth 442 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,740 Edition, you'll note you'll track this this 443 00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:46,140 capitalization schema E capitalized here and then 444 00:28:46,140 --> 00:28:49,530 we're lowercase until the colon designating a 445 00:28:49,530 --> 00:28:52,350 break between main title and subtitle. And then we 446 00:28:52,350 --> 00:28:55,140 capitalized that a and everything else is 447 00:28:55,140 --> 00:28:58,650 lowercase until we get to a proper noun. United 448 00:28:58,650 --> 00:29:05,280 States. And then we have our. Name of our journal, 449 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:11,070 The Parent, Parent and Child, the the name of the 450 00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:16,440 journal is entitled Case. So all of the main words 451 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,420 are capitalized and it's italicize. 452 00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:24,670 And I say that right, Mr. World? Yes, ma'am. Right 453 00:29:24,670 --> 00:29:28,710 on the money. There you go. And then we can see a 454 00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:32,100 Web page on something like a news website, which 455 00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:34,590 is what you're normally going to be using if 456 00:29:34,590 --> 00:29:39,540 you're using Web sources. We have the a weird 457 00:29:39,540 --> 00:29:44,530 blend is the best I can call it. Yes, we keep our 458 00:29:44,530 --> 00:29:47,460 our capitalization schema the same as we would for 459 00:29:47,460 --> 00:29:51,880 an article in a journal. But we italicize it does 460 00:29:52,350 --> 00:29:55,980 the name of the Web page. And then we have the 461 00:29:55,980 --> 00:30:01,750 parent here. CNN Huff Post News. 462 00:30:03,770 --> 00:30:07,520 Capitalize the same way as a journal name, but not 463 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,850 italicized, yes. I would say this is the number 464 00:30:11,850 --> 00:30:15,180 one hiccup for people, myself included, 465 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,530 so I always have to look at this if I am citing a 466 00:30:22,530 --> 00:30:29,210 Web page or. Thank you, doc. Thank you. All right, 467 00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:36,230 super. Now, does anyone have any other questions 468 00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:41,960 about these major or minor changes, folks? Anyone 469 00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:43,310 question? 470 00:30:49,330 --> 00:30:49,860 Wow. 471 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,600 OK, for those of you who are saying thank you, you 472 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:05,210 are welcome, glad that was useful for. Wow. Don't 473 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,570 make anything else I should cover. I think these 474 00:31:08,570 --> 00:31:11,120 were the main ones for us, but if other people 475 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,330 have we got Kevin says at all is only for three or 476 00:31:14,330 --> 00:31:17,750 more in the body of the paper. Yes, correct. 477 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,560 Correct. So in those in those parenthetical 478 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,850 citations, in the body of your paper, you all for. 479 00:31:27,730 --> 00:31:28,480 Mayama. 480 00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:36,110 OK, yes, Wilbur, thanks for asking that question. 481 00:31:37,150 --> 00:31:39,910 Here, here's the rally. We're almost between a 482 00:31:39,910 --> 00:31:42,910 rock and a hard place on that abstract thing. If 483 00:31:42,910 --> 00:31:47,410 you look at the seventh APA at the student example, 484 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,470 there's no abstract listed in that example. 485 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,350 However, the manual covers the abstract elsewhere, 486 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,860 like with the page that I gave. But I will tell 487 00:31:56,860 --> 00:32:01,390 you that in composition courses, an abstract is 488 00:32:01,390 --> 00:32:05,950 required in most all the other courses that we 489 00:32:05,950 --> 00:32:09,520 teach. When you write an essay, an abstract is 490 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,390 required. And so just look closely at any kind of 491 00:32:13,390 --> 00:32:15,670 instructions that you're given. 492 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,130 But that's just one of those that abstract is just 493 00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:24,250 one of those kind of weird things now with the 494 00:32:24,250 --> 00:32:28,690 seventh as far as a table of contents, if you're 495 00:32:28,690 --> 00:32:31,590 doing anything that has to do with formal reports, 496 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,950 technical writing, business communications, a lot 497 00:32:35,950 --> 00:32:39,580 of our aeronautical courses, when you do a full 498 00:32:39,580 --> 00:32:42,790 blown report or whatever. Yeah, you got to have 499 00:32:42,790 --> 00:32:45,250 that. You got to have that table of contents 500 00:32:45,250 --> 00:32:48,640 because it just makes good sense, you know. Does 501 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:49,990 that answer your question, though? 502 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,670 Yes. Thank you. You're welcome, sir. Let's see 503 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,180 Mitchell Hartman. 504 00:33:03,410 --> 00:33:06,680 Yes, Mitchell, that is correct. You have you have 505 00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:11,360 gotten that one correctly? Yes. You just. 506 00:33:14,370 --> 00:33:17,160 Yeah, and it shows you exactly it shows you 507 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,340 exactly how to do that in the manual. OK, I want 508 00:33:20,340 --> 00:33:22,520 to talks about the multiple authors write. 509 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,500 Yeah, yeah, yeah, whoo! 510 00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:34,580 I'll I'll look up the section number for you. 511 00:33:37,420 --> 00:33:39,550 If you'll hold on just a second, I've got it right 512 00:33:39,550 --> 00:33:42,640 here. Because I want you to see that clearly. All 513 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:42,840 right. 514 00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:00,150 It's Section four and Chapter 10, it's actually 515 00:34:00,150 --> 00:34:05,850 section ten point one, subsection four Journal 516 00:34:05,850 --> 00:34:08,520 article was the DUI, twenty one and twenty one or 517 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,300 more authors. And it shows you that clearly you 518 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:17,250 list all 20 and then you put the ellipses and then 519 00:34:17,310 --> 00:34:21,120 you you, you list, you list that last author, 520 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:26,430 whoever it happens to be. OK, the the call, the 521 00:34:26,580 --> 00:34:29,310 call phrase really is just for the parenthetical 522 00:34:29,310 --> 00:34:33,190 site. OK, but if you look at that subsection that 523 00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:34,340 tell exactly how to do it. 524 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,160 Does that answer your question, sir? 525 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,320 OK, good, super. You're welcome, sir. Let's see. 526 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,540 Hold on a second, folks, OK, website with no 527 00:34:52,540 --> 00:34:56,560 author. Yeah. Thank you for asking that area. I 528 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,370 hope folks are still with us on this. OK, if 529 00:35:00,370 --> 00:35:05,440 there's no author, then that parent site becomes 530 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,510 the author. And then what Meghan showed you as far 531 00:35:10,510 --> 00:35:14,070 as the date and then the subject and how it's 532 00:35:14,110 --> 00:35:18,100 italics and lowercase capitalization schema, OK, 533 00:35:18,730 --> 00:35:21,490 when there's no author, then the parent site 534 00:35:21,490 --> 00:35:23,680 becomes the author. Here you go. Thank you. Dot 535 00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:27,250 that World Health Organization. Now here's the 536 00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:30,040 other thing. You got to catch C you're only 537 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,150 listing once. And so if you use the parent or the 538 00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:37,240 author, then you don't read list them. You just 539 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:41,260 have it with the parent, the date, the subject and 540 00:35:41,260 --> 00:35:43,720 then the hyperlink without having a parent in 541 00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:47,080 there. It's just becomes an understood parent. 542 00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:49,970 Does that answer your question? 543 00:35:59,180 --> 00:36:01,150 That he does that answer your question. OK. 544 00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:10,920 Look, I'm not sure I'm I'm hoping I really hear 545 00:36:10,930 --> 00:36:14,220 Eddie, but it was a good explanation, OK, it's not 546 00:36:14,420 --> 00:36:17,100 OK. If you need any clarification, just type again. 547 00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:23,410 OK, Eddie. Super. OK, let's see, let me go to 548 00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:25,930 share. Let's see. 549 00:36:29,830 --> 00:36:36,160 Yes, Nasher, yes. Yeah, all all the proper all the 550 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,710 proper words in that parents are our capitalized. 551 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:40,860 That's correct. 552 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,780 OK, thank you, Andy, for answer, is that clear, 553 00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:49,420 Mr.. 554 00:36:56,530 --> 00:36:58,060 OK, so let's the. 555 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:09,270 OK, William Green, that that that's good thinking 556 00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:14,310 there, but the accepted standard just about 557 00:37:14,430 --> 00:37:17,460 remains that times new Roman with the picture. 558 00:37:17,490 --> 00:37:20,700 Well, it's rare that I run into any professors or 559 00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:23,460 any students. You have professors who show me 560 00:37:23,460 --> 00:37:26,010 their work, like in the tutoring lab that have 561 00:37:26,010 --> 00:37:30,390 anything other than at times in Roman 12. You 562 00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:32,760 understand what I'm saying? William. 563 00:37:36,530 --> 00:37:39,290 Sure. OK, I echo that I would think I would say 564 00:37:39,290 --> 00:37:41,930 that my advice would be play it safe and stick 565 00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:44,630 with times new Roman size 12, because you know 566 00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:50,500 that that's accepted. Yes. Thank you, doc. OK, on 567 00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:51,550 that website references. 568 00:37:54,850 --> 00:37:57,640 OK, yeah, doc, would you bring that up, please? 569 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,070 Promise me? Yeah, I think it was the publication 570 00:38:00,070 --> 00:38:02,800 date, but let me look right. That should be the 571 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,050 publication date. Yeah. Because as like you said, 572 00:38:07,050 --> 00:38:11,520 we don't use the retrieval date from us. Yeah, 573 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,830 these are publications. Yes. That Miss Nancy, the 574 00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:20,970 questioning. Yeah, that's the. That's that 575 00:38:20,970 --> 00:38:22,810 publication dates all that is. 576 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,650 Yep, oh, 577 00:38:29,660 --> 00:38:32,620 there you go. Thank you, Doctor. 578 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:40,790 All right, trooper who reference source. Oh, OK. 579 00:38:40,990 --> 00:38:44,170 Oh, that's all right. Same thing on the station. 580 00:38:44,620 --> 00:38:46,240 Yeah. All right. Super. 581 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,960 All right, you're welcome, Miss Nancy. Yeah, yeah, 582 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,880 that's the big deal and, you know, you really got 583 00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,950 to find something that changes all the time that's 584 00:38:59,950 --> 00:39:03,430 almost hard to find nowadays. You know, if you if 585 00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:06,310 you're going to do a site for, like the census or 586 00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:09,010 statistics or stuff, that that generally changes. 587 00:39:09,010 --> 00:39:11,560 But there's not a whole lot of them out there that 588 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,170 change very much. They're almost static. 589 00:39:16,820 --> 00:39:19,390 Now, do we have any other questions? 590 00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:24,040 So I'm going, oh, wow. 591 00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:29,040 Why go, Miss Nancy? 592 00:39:31,170 --> 00:39:33,630 Nancy, one thing that you might find interesting 593 00:39:33,690 --> 00:39:38,490 is that I would argue that that that who cite the 594 00:39:38,490 --> 00:39:42,540 World Health Organization page, let me show you 595 00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:44,880 something. It probably should have a retrieval 596 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,390 date on it. Because the publication date here is 597 00:39:49,390 --> 00:39:51,220 May twenty fourth, twenty eighteen. 598 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,880 That when I click on it, wow, look at the. So 599 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,820 there was probably a change in the top 10 causes 600 00:40:00,820 --> 00:40:06,700 of death. Wow. And that list, that factsheet has 601 00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:09,670 since been updated. Wow. So this is probably one 602 00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:13,670 where there might need to be. An access or 603 00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:17,210 retrieval date provided, but that would come later 604 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,930 this hour. Yeah, yeah, this date that's here in 605 00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:29,380 parentheses is always the publication date. So 606 00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:33,670 retrieval date would come later right here before 607 00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:37,000 the URL, I'll see if I can find an example on this 608 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,240 page that shows a retrieval date. It's an Tranmere 609 00:40:42,250 --> 00:40:45,190 what section number is offhand? I don't remember 610 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,020 right offhand. But now with the watch out, here's 611 00:40:50,020 --> 00:40:50,230 one. 612 00:40:57,770 --> 00:41:01,220 I can see that so this actually didn't have a 613 00:41:01,220 --> 00:41:03,200 publication date, but we still have 614 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,890 a placeholder there. But if we had an original 615 00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:14,360 publication date of twenty eighteen. And we 616 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,970 retrieved it. This is one like you were talking 617 00:41:17,970 --> 00:41:21,810 about Can, with the constantly updating numbers 618 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,690 about population changes on the regular. Yes. Mail. 619 00:41:25,740 --> 00:41:26,310 Oh, yes. 620 00:41:28,590 --> 00:41:34,530 Well, yes. And Nancy, yes, absolutely. See, that's 621 00:41:34,530 --> 00:41:37,530 see those the ones you brought up? See, that's. 622 00:41:38,580 --> 00:41:42,600 That's one where we as as the writer of that piece, 623 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,240 you know, you've got to know that that's you got 624 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:49,710 to do a little bit of that investigative work. 625 00:41:49,710 --> 00:41:52,830 There's the private eye on that one that it does 626 00:41:52,830 --> 00:41:57,610 change. Yeah, yes, ma'am, that's correct. What 627 00:41:57,850 --> 00:42:01,130 change? Super. All right. 628 00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:06,660 I like German. Any other questions for either one 629 00:42:06,660 --> 00:42:07,190 of us? 630 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:21,850 Well. This has been very informative. Appreciate 631 00:42:21,850 --> 00:42:23,650 that. I hope so. 632 00:42:27,380 --> 00:42:31,640 Well, people are drumming up any final burning 633 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,580 questions, I will reiterate the thing that I say 634 00:42:34,580 --> 00:42:36,830 every time I talk about AIPA with somebody. 635 00:42:39,980 --> 00:42:46,340 Unless you're Ken Marlin, super brain. Oh, my 636 00:42:46,340 --> 00:42:51,680 goodness. For for reference manuals, I shared with 637 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,080 you all earlier that I get really tripped up on 638 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,830 the Web page format versus what I'm more used to 639 00:42:58,830 --> 00:43:01,600 with citing journal articles. Use these these 640 00:43:01,610 --> 00:43:04,640 resources, use the the page numbers that Mr. 641 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,590 Marland is going to send out in that document with 642 00:43:06,590 --> 00:43:10,310 the recording or use this AP style website with 643 00:43:10,310 --> 00:43:13,190 the examples because that that's what this is for. 644 00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:15,950 It's you don't you don't have to feel like you 645 00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:18,710 have to memorize it. It's that's what these 646 00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:22,160 resources not to the folks at the library and the 647 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,250 folks at the virtual communication lever here to 648 00:43:25,250 --> 00:43:28,670 to help you with as well. So if everything is not 649 00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:32,180 one hundred thousand percent clear and burned into 650 00:43:32,180 --> 00:43:34,490 your memory this evening, that's normal. And 651 00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:37,340 that's OK. We just hope that we've we've helped 652 00:43:37,340 --> 00:43:38,360 you along a little bit. 653 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,600 Thank you, have. Well, thank you, Miss Karinna, 654 00:43:47,860 --> 00:43:48,820 appreciate that. 655 00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:53,400 But we definitely appreciate you presenting this 656 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,210 evening. This is a frequently asked question, 657 00:43:59,130 --> 00:44:01,690 especially especially lately, I imagine, right? 658 00:44:01,870 --> 00:44:08,540 Yes, yes. Much appreciated. Absolutely. Absolutely. 659 00:44:08,620 --> 00:44:09,000 Well, 660 00:44:11,070 --> 00:44:14,480 all right. All right, everyone, enjoy the rest of 661 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,710 your evening, if it's evening, time for you and 662 00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:22,640 we'll be sending the hand out in the recording in 663 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,280 a couple of days or super. Thanks, everyone, for 664 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,710 joining us tonight. Thanks for your great 665 00:44:29,710 --> 00:44:30,470 questions.