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Good morning, everyone, and welcome to day two of

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our Spaceports Summit. My name is Suzy Cunningham.

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I work NASA strategy and integration at Kennedy

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Space Center, and I'm also the summer government

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chair at my industry chair, Eric Brown, yesterday,

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who kicked off our conference with our keynote by

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NASA's acting administrator, Steve Jerzyk,

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followed by panels about the Space Coast spaceport,

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along with efforts by many other space ports

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around the nation. I also hope you checked out the

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sponsor exhibit hall and our numerous TED talks

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about inspiration and innovation there. Available

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during the entire conference yesterday, Steve

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Jerzyk shared the latest about NASA's missions,

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including Artemis and a recent exciting Mars 2020

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Perseverence Rover Landing and ingenuity

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helicopter activities, along with new crosscutting

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space and aeronautics technologies we're working

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on today. We'll hear more details about some of

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those, along with other commercial efforts from

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our Lunar Mars exploration and ISIS, LEO and

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suborbital commercialization panels. And for any

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of these efforts to be successful, we use diverse

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partnerships and workforce. So to kick things off,

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we have an industry diversification panel

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moderated by NASA cases, Barbara Kennedy. First

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started her Nasta journey in January 2016 as an

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intern, where she fell in love with America's

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space program and was also presented with Kennedy

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Space Center Intern of the Year award. She

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graduated from Florida Institute of Technology in

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twenty eighteen and began a full time position as

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a NASA KSC civil engineer prior to beginning her

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engineering journey. She was a horse trainer for

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over a decade where she worked cattle horses in

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Colorado. Rodeo horses in Texas trained endurance

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horses in California, led endurance style trekking

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adventures and train horses for jumping and fox

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hunting in Ireland, chips to inspire others

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through outreach, excitement and passion to remind

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us all the take on everyday challenges as

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opportunities to grow and flourish within

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ourselves, our communities, our nation and our

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world and our universe. Welcome, Bobby Kennedy.

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Good morning, thank you, Susie, for that beautiful

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introduction. I am, as you mentioned, a civil

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engineer at the space center. I also am doing

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future of work. That's a new role that I have

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taken on at the Kennedy Space Center, figuring out

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how we're going to use space as we move forward

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into the new work environments. This panel is

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going to be really exciting. We have three great

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speakers. We're going to discuss industry

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diversification and diversification of the

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industry and how those two things come together.

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So our first speaker on this panel is Edgar Campa

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Palafox. He's the director of business development

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for the Economic Development Commission of

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Florida's Space Coast. He's been working for over

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a decade with the public, private county and

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municipal economic development organizations in

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Florida, Texas and Arizona. He's worked in

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economic research incentives, policy, business

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attraction, retention and expansion, as well as

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supplier, industrial and entrepreneur

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entrepreneurial development. Prior to joining EDC

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Space Florida, he also worked. He was the economic

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development coordinator with Alachua County,

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Florida, the senior economic development

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specialist with the city of El Paso, the business

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development specialist with the Tucson Regional

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Economic Opportunities in Tucson. He holds a

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certificate in economic development certified

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economic developer from the International Economic

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Development Council. He is holds a economic

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development master practitioner designation from

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the Advanced Economic Development, the MP, and a

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business incubation management certificate from

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the International Business Innovation Association.

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He attended both the University of Arizona and

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University of Tampa, which is in Fabara in

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Barcelona, Spain, and is an avid football player

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who hopes to own a tornado. Foosball table ran a

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marathon with six six weeks of preparation and has

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invested in more than twenty seven entrepreneurs

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and business owners through Cuba. Edgar.

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Thank you, Barbara. I'm honored to participate in

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the Spaceports summit along that many

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distinguished speakers and I'm delighted to

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participate in the industry panel diversification

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panel. Before I move into the presentation, let me

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tell you about the ADC and the economic

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development field as a whole. The ADC or the

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Economic Development Commission of the Florida

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Space Coast Economic Development Arm for Rivara

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County, Florida organization is dedicated to

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attract new businesses and investment and

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expanding industry throughout the Space Coast.

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Queensland's changing government laws and

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regulations affecting economic development,

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promoting the region to encourage new investment.

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in the Space Coast, and laying new programs to

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assist the growth of manufacturing and high tech

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companies. Organization is a private, not for

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profit coalition, and we secure funding from

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investors, community businesses, local governments

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and grants. So if you're one of the ADC investors

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and you're watching, I want to take the

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opportunity to say thank you for your support in

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growing prosperity and opportunities in the Space

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Coast. The other thing I wanted to cover before I

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jump into the presentation is economic development.

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Again, the end game of economic development is not

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just to grow the economy, but is growing in a way

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that improves the quality of life for everyone in

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the region is to providing meaningful solutions to

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problems, community problems, while creating value

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added jobs and opportunities for everyone. One of

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the strongest qualities that economic development

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has is protecting the local economy from economic

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downturns by diversifying it and making it more

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resilient. Next slide, please.

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As the birthplace of American space exploration

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and the hub of Florida's space industry, our

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region is experiencing a renaissance fueled by the

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SpaceX private industry and the growing

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manufacturing sector located here. But not long

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ago, when the shuttle program came to an end after

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a tree they could run, it had a devastating effect

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for the Space Coast economy. When the space

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shuttle Atlantis ascended into space for the final

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time in 2011, the resulting layoffs had a dramatic

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effect on our economy next.

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In March of 2006, the area unemployment was two

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point eight percent, almost full employment by

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most definitions. Next, more. By November 2010,

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unemployment peak to an unprecedented eleven point

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eight percent next, well, from an estimated

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sixteen thousand people employed by the shuttle

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program in the mid two thousand next one. The

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final shuttle mission marks the end of seventy

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five hundred, the Kennedy Space Center employees

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dropping the workforce of the center to around

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eighty five hundred workers and the director space

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center. Layoffs also inside with almost 14000

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indirect jobs lost in the local hotels,

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restaurants, retail stores and other small

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businesses that supported the shuttle program.

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that came to our committee, came to watch the

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shuttle launches each year. The real estate market

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plunge as well as a result of that of those job

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losses, the median sales of a single priced home

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went from two hundred twenty seven thousand to

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eighty seven thousand. That's obviously a dramatic

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effect. The real estate. Next slide, please.

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The community, the anticipated shuttle retirement

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will be inside with the Great Recession, the

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deepest and the longest since the Great Depression

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in the 1930s, the double blow of the loss of the

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shuttle program and the recession was devastating

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for this community. Next line.

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The situation galvanized this community and the

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community got together and fought back situation,

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becoming one of the best performing communities in

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Florida and the nation, developing a state leading

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manufacturing sector and the most diversified

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economy in Florida. The space coast is certainly a

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prime example of how community partnerships can

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really find a community once decimated by economic

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circumstances. In the 10 years since that shuttle

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program, retirement, private companies, private

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space companies, along with a diversified

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manufacturing sector, have fueled our area,

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creating a manufacturing ecosystem with a

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tremendous economic benefits for our county

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residents and the state of Florida. However, this

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did not happen by an accident. It was a successful

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strategy developed by the CDC on key community

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partners to replace those thousands of lost jobs

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that were penalty center around one program with

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new high wage jobs created by a wide array of

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sectors. These efforts resulted in a tremendous

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return of investment. The community got almost

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nine thousand new jobs, more than seven thousand

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retail jobs and almost two billion dollars in

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capital investment. And this was all accomplished

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with the knowledge that when the next economic

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downturn hit, the local economy will be in far

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stronger position to weather the storm and a kind

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of a global pandemic. Our economy is currently

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bearing the fruits of those past efforts. The

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manufacturing sectors are largely stabilized, the

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metro area economy and unemployment. Despite

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covid-19 shattering tourism in the region and the

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state of Florida, some of that game changing

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projects announcements that took place in the last

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10 years are visible in this slide that you're

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taking a look. And those announcements make that

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turnaround possible. I will highlight gets a few

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of them now going into the telling all of those

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budget areas supersonic, announcing 20 20, a new

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project representing a multi-year investment of

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three hundred million and is expected to create

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almost 700 jobs. Again, that is a true partnership

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between state, local and regional organizations to

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bring that kind of investment here. Lockheed

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ballistic missile headquarters in Titusville in

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Embraer, continue its commitment to the region,

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announcing multiple expansion in those 10 years

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and creating hundreds of jobs and investing

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millions and millions of dollars in capital invest,

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obviously, in 2015. You probably remember

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Bloomberg in announcing the plans to invest in the

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region, making a game changing capital investment

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to the selection of a site in Exploration Park

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just out of Kennedy Space Center. Those

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investments are among the many notable investments,

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but not the only signs of recovery and

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diversification of the region's economy. When the

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shuttle program ended, some wonder if the region

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will ever be able to recover. One of the reasons

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for his remarkable turnaround is extensive

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partnership, as I mentioned, between local, state

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and private sector organizations working together

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to crack a diversified base to the region. NASA,

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Kennedy Space Center, who play a key role in the

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region, turns around leadership. The leadership

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turned the center into multiuse spaceport space.

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Florida was another crucial partner in this

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turnaround, but I will bet they'll tell you more

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about it later in this panel. Cycleways.

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many partners to bring these projects to our

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community. These are just a few examples of their

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reasons for optimism. And as our community moves

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into the next stage, as a result of these efforts,

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the Space Coast continues to receive national

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attention. Just last week, the space skills

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ascended the Milken Institute best performing

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cities, ranking propelled to a second best

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performing city in the nation. The index measures

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economic vitality in large and small cities using

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job creation, wage growth and innovation. Industry

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metrics. The space goes. Number two ranking was up

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from number 10 last year, and it's a monumental

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jump from 2016 when the space goes rank one

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hundred and fifty third. Let me repeat that. One

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hundred and fifty third out of two hundred

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communities in the nation. These continued success

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is largely due to that high performing and growing

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diversified high tech industrial base that I

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performing metros have a cohesive strategy

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allowing the communities to weather economic

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storms in a better way. They added that the

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experience of these matters also provides a

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benchmark for leaders across the US seeking to

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promote sustainable growth and prosperity. Next

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numbers that way you see more supporting evidence

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besides just a ranking from a national

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organization. Let's take a quick look on on this

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data from the Florida Chamber. When it ranks

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Espace goes number one across metro areas in the

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state of Florida and industry diversification in

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the state of Florida slide.

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The current economic data that you're seeing also

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demonstrates the local economy is far stronger

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position to weather an economic storm compared

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with other communities in the state of Florida.

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The space skills employment decrease was also less

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pronounced during the pandemic and is evidence of

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that unemployment rates that you're seeing on the

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screen. Next slide, you also see that that trend

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is sustained across the nation where our economy

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is doing very competitive in unemployment rate and

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the loss of employment compared to other metro

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areas around the nation, next. What's next for the

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Space Coast? Well, a number of industry

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developments have increased economic capacity and

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the ability of the space economy. And you're

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probably hearing that for the panels that we are

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hearing in the last three days in our licensees

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will see a significant investment in Spain's space.

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So the man for exploration, commerce, Internet and

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scientific studies and with that space industry

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flourishing, that's Florida's space coast will

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continue to flourish. Last year, we watch American

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astronauts return to space. Yes, last week we

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watched the rover touched down on the red planet

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in the Florida space coast was the epicenter of

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all those developments, not only from launching

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them from here, but also taking part in the design

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and manufacturing of those rockets and devices, as

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many transformational developments and investments

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are underway is just a good, good opportunity. And

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it's in our community just looking for now. We'll

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just run through some of the exciting developments

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coming up. Embraer announce the news deadline in

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their lineup that will go the production of other

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guests in Melbourne, Florida. Ed Harris continues

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to expanding the space coast, making the companies

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the third largest employer of area. Lockheed

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Martin announced that they will be revamping the

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US astronaut. Alphin and Blue Origin, as I

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mentioned, is proud to call Grobart County home.

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And they had invested an unprecedented amount of

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capital in and moving ahead with new facilities in

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exploration park, Boeing space and launch

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headquarters, and as a relocation of the

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headquarters of its space and launch division to

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Titusville. SpaceX continues to see heavy launch

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activity in its Falcon nine and Falcon cabi

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spacecraft, and obviously, how do you forget the

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SpaceX programs returning human spaceflight to the

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United States since the space shuttle was retired

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next time. In conclusion, the lasting effects of

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the area's economic diversification and renewals

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are solid, especially in light of the effects of

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the Cold 19 pandemic. Looking back at our region's

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history, the Space Coast understands the meaning

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of resiliency from the days of the Apollo program,

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the Great Recession and just a decade ago, the end

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of the shuttle program and even the past few years

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are any indication of what's to come for our

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community. The future looks very bright and is

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well-positioned to continue pushing the frontier

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in economic growth. Space exploration once again

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invigorates the local economy, and this time,

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among many other innovative industries. There are

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captivating the curiosity and ingenuity of the US

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and the world. Thank you.

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Good morning again, thank you, Edgar. The passion

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and the heart that you guys are putting behind

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what you're doing for the Space Coast is

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incredible. I'm looking forward to further

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conversation as we go through this panel. Our next

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speaker will be Dale Ketcham. He is the vice

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president of government and external relations at

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Space Florida. He utilizes existing and developing

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networks to advantage the state of Florida as the

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recognized leader in the civil, commercial and

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military space marketplace through innovation,

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collaboration and influence. He spent 30 years at

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Kennedy Space Center working with major

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contractors, eight days Congress, Enterprise

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Florida and the University of Central Florida.

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He's a proud USF grad. He spent 10 years on the

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shuttle program, was the district director for

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Congressman Jim Backus, the director of business

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development for AJ Associates, which is a private

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engineering firm working with NASA, as well as the

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Navy, Air Force and airports around the country.

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He was the director of Spaceport Research and

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Technology Institute at KSC and director of

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defense programs with Enterprise Florida, the

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state of Florida's economic development agency

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over the last few decades. He's also managed

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political campaigns for city commission, Port

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Authority, local bond referendums and two

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congressional races. On a personal note, I've

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heard him speak multiple times and he gives a lot

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of time towards inspiring folks around the Space

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Coast to make sure that we are investing

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emotionally and financially to make this a better

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place to live and work for us all. Dale.

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Thank you, Barbara. Although I do need to start

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off with a crisp clarification, I am I'm a

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graduate of the very, very proud graduate of the

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University of Florida, not University of Central

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Florida. I work for UCP, love them to death, but

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my 40 years of season tickets at the stadium is in

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Gainesville. But be that as it may, let's roll

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with the I'll go through these slides quickly

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because I think the best value we can get is from

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questions and follow up. Next slide. Just a quick

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for those of you who are not familiar with space,

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Florida, we always open with an introduction.

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We're best viewed as being like an airport or a

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seaport authority. But for space and we have

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statewide jurisdiction. We are actually a for

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profit public entity

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that gives us a lot of tools next.

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We've got a neat tool kit that's been very

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effective in bringing a lot of the work here on

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the Space Coast as well as around the state, we

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can do conduit finance things, synthetic leasing,

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a whole bunch of other financial tools. That makes

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us really one of the more powerful organizations

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in the country to do what we do next week.

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And again, most of our tool kit really appeals to

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financial types, controllers, tax attorneys,

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things of that nature. But if you're trying to run

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a business, it's the kind of stuff that determines

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whether or not you're profitable or not. Next,

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please.

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Again, this is just sort of like your head, a lot

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of the successes, most of these clearly are

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locally, but we've also have a growing role in

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Tampa, Pensacola, Jacksonville, Miami and South

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Florida, next.

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This is really what the area we think of when

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we're thinking of the Cape Canaveral spaceport is

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a term that has been in state statute now for

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almost two decades. And it's a reflection of both

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the the NASA property and the Air Force now space

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for property, the basically the launch head here

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in the state of Florida. And so that's really the

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Cape Canaveral Spaceport Technology Triangle,

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which is bracketed by Embry Riddle, Florida Tech

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and UCSF. And it's a very powerful place to live

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next.

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A lot of what we do is to drive this sort of stuff.

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This is just a classic picture. I think that's

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just a perfect reflection of the growth of the

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commercial space industry. It looks like a Star

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Wars hangar with some new vehicles and a lot of

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old ones being refurbished. Next, please. And

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again, the like the the Blue Origin facility and

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the launch pad, we the Big Blue Origin facility,

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we only sit back to them because it makes good

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financial sense for Jeff Bezos, next.

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And the next follow on is the one Web facility

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where were we all in that facility, leased it back

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to them and they're cranking out a lot of

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satellites, which is good because that's all part

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of the diversification, diversification of this

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community. We've been around we were originally

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just a launch point for federal programs. And back

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in 2006, Governor Bush following the Challenger

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tragedy. The state in the region, in the locality

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made a conscious decision. We're going to move

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away from reliance on just federal programs and

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reliance on just being a launch head. And now

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where most of the launches here by far are

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commercial, not government. And most of the

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economic activity, the excitement, the enthusiasm

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is the government is the commercial side. And we

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manufacture rockets and capsules and satellites

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and hopefully are attracting the supply chain

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that's services these as well, because that will

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make it easier for us to then recruit more next.

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And, you know, hopefully a ride across the street

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from Blue Origin will be building the the Firefly

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manufacturing facility to start manufacturing

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small rockets to go with blues, big ones, next.

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But the really cool part is the satellites. And I

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say that because if there's a theme to what the

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presentation, at least on my part of today, is

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that the the launch activity that we're famous for

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launch and landing now, that's really just the

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seed corn that that's like the the it's not the

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goal that the reason that the the industry

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diversification, we're anxious to have it tap into

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the broad industrial capability and intellectual

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capacity of the state to grow a broader activity,

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just like railroads and aviation and even the

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Internet. The government made the first

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investments by providing land grants for the

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railroads or airmail contracts to early aviation

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providers. Or I believe I believe Al Gore started

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the Internet, if I recall correctly. But it was

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all a government enterprise. But then the

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government started it. And from the space Florida

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for perspective, that was obviously an essential

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and a good and a key part of our growth. And the

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government ultimately ends up being primary

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beneficiaries of the commercialization. But the

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commercial market grows way beyond the federal

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government. They remain reliable customers, but it

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gets much, much bigger. So the real value is in

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the game is not the government, it's the human

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enterprise that then expands into supporting

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national security, exploration, commercialization,

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tourism, entertainment, all the other stuff, most

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of which we don't even know what that's going to

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be

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next. Please.

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This is a neat example, Bush 43 started

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commercialization, got NASA out of the business of

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providing the transportation of cargo to the

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International Space Station. Obama doubled down on

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that and turned over to the private sector,

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getting our astronauts, the International Space

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Station. And then the Trump administration's

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contribution to that, which was significant, was

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the NASA was building a great big lunar rover. It

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was really fancy because we haven't been back to

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the moon in 50 years. And but the Trump

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administration said that's a bad idea. Instead of

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having NASA is doing the program, let's have let's

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turn it over to a bunch of companies where NASA

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can contract with companies, some of which will

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launch this year, and to build an industry so they

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can now have instead of having one rover that

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might be gold plated and have sensors that are

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spectacular, you're stuck on that rover. This way

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we can put probes and sensors and technology

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demonstrators all over the moon and build an

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industry that can support the private sector as

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well as government needs next.

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And part of our big goal is the economic

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marketplace that is space, and again, the vast

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majority of that is not government. I think a

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great example of that is SpaceX hate to always

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defer to them, but clearly they're the industry

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leader. Elon Musk makes a profit with SpaceX, with

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his falcons and soon starships. But at the end of

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the day, that's going to be dwarfed by Starlink.

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Starlink is going to be the massive cash cow and

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Starlink is going to be touching billions of human

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lives by providing broadband capability everywhere

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and letting people access it, hopefully. And we

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very much expect that one where is also going to

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be in that business. But I use SpaceX is because

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the launch site is is the sexy one with the fire

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and smoke. But that's not the big money. And Elon

521
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,510
savvy enough to know where the big money is, and

522
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:58,480
that will be what's touching billions of lives

523
00:27:58,900 --> 00:27:59,520
next, please.

524
00:28:02,490 --> 00:28:07,230
Again, it's all what is it, what is this based?

525
00:28:08,140 --> 00:28:11,230
What is human activity going to lead to the same

526
00:28:11,230 --> 00:28:13,270
way we didn't know what the Internet was going to

527
00:28:13,450 --> 00:28:19,360
create, but since then, human innovation and and

528
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,880
greed and all of the other neat things that makes

529
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,120
humans as entertaining as they are was able to

530
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:28,840
take advantage of this whole new frontier and come

531
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,680
up with a million different ways to express

532
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,380
themselves, to make money, to expand the human

533
00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:38,830
experience, to connect. You know, there's there's

534
00:28:38,830 --> 00:28:41,710
a big dark side to the Internet. I have no doubt

535
00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:43,780
there will be a dark side to human activity in

536
00:28:43,780 --> 00:28:46,810
space. If there are humans involved, there's going

537
00:28:46,810 --> 00:28:50,200
to be a dark side, but we don't know what that's

538
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,840
going to look like. And our goal is to position

539
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,230
the state of Florida to get more than our fair

540
00:28:56,230 --> 00:29:00,670
share of that economic opportunity. Next, please.

541
00:29:03,330 --> 00:29:06,570
That's my usual ending slide, because the what we

542
00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:08,880
want to do is create an environment where there's

543
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,420
human activity going on to and from space on a

544
00:29:12,420 --> 00:29:17,540
regular basis, both goods manufactured. Products,

545
00:29:17,810 --> 00:29:20,360
raw materials, people and goods going back and

546
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,560
forth from space, and our job is to see to it that

547
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,800
the state of Florida, we won't be the only one,

548
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,720
but we want to make sure we're the dominant one.

549
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,680
Next, please. And on that, I'll shut up and go to

550
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,720
the rest of your questions.

551
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,790
Thanks, Dale. That was fantastic. Looking forward

552
00:29:44,790 --> 00:29:51,720
to the conversation, Rob will be our next speaker.

553
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:56,310
He's the managing director of the Office of

554
00:29:56,310 --> 00:30:02,250
Diversity and Equal Opportunity at KSC. I can hear

555
00:30:02,250 --> 00:30:07,630
a little echo in my. And back here, he's

556
00:30:07,630 --> 00:30:09,880
responsible for the oversight of Title seven,

557
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,580
civil rights dispute resolution, reasonable

558
00:30:12,580 --> 00:30:15,610
accommodation, special emphasis, employee resource

559
00:30:15,610 --> 00:30:18,130
groups and other efforts related to diversity and

560
00:30:18,130 --> 00:30:23,170
inclusive practice. The employee resource groups

561
00:30:23,170 --> 00:30:26,230
across Kennedy Space Center are spectacular. By

562
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:29,080
the way, I'm part of launching Leaders Kennedy

563
00:30:29,410 --> 00:30:32,590
Network of Women and have interacted with quite a

564
00:30:32,590 --> 00:30:36,940
few of the others. Rob Grant Interac joins KSC in

565
00:30:36,940 --> 00:30:40,840
2007 as the deputy of the Office of Diversity and

566
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,690
Equal Opportunity. He graduated from Lincoln

567
00:30:43,690 --> 00:30:48,400
University in Jefferson City, Missouri. He had a

568
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,030
varied career, including work at the United States

569
00:30:52,030 --> 00:30:55,660
Department of Agriculture, USDA Agricultural

570
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Stabilization and Conservation Services asks

571
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:03,010
Marshall, Putnam County and Minnesota Farm Service

572
00:31:03,010 --> 00:31:07,330
agencies. He reduced program imbalances of land

573
00:31:07,330 --> 00:31:09,670
held in tribal trust of Native American land

574
00:31:09,670 --> 00:31:13,870
holders. And he values the pragmatic application

575
00:31:13,870 --> 00:31:16,450
of management and leadership principles to the

576
00:31:16,450 --> 00:31:19,000
theories of diversity and inclusion, while

577
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,150
ensuring the legal protections required by law

578
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,890
when away from the space center and his career. He

579
00:31:26,890 --> 00:31:30,550
spends time in the garage tuning and polishing his

580
00:31:30,550 --> 00:31:34,750
classic and not so classic cars and motorcycles at

581
00:31:34,750 --> 00:31:38,110
his home in Merritt Island. Thank you, Rob.

582
00:31:38,110 --> 00:31:40,510
Looking forward to the discussion.

583
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:48,990
Cannier.

584
00:31:51,090 --> 00:31:54,720
OK, great. So, you know, every once in a while in

585
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,810
my career, I find myself saying, how did I get

586
00:31:57,810 --> 00:32:00,960
here in this panel? It's one of those times, you

587
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,850
know, so my background,

588
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:07,440
my degree was in Agriculture Working University,

589
00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:10,890
BCU, historically black college. So you may be

590
00:32:10,890 --> 00:32:14,550
wondering, what do I know about space? And the

591
00:32:14,550 --> 00:32:19,290
truth is not a lot, but the vehicles and the space

592
00:32:19,290 --> 00:32:23,220
port and the programs and processes don't build

593
00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:26,280
themselves yet. And I know people. So that's my

594
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:32,040
contribution. KSC has the the lofty goal of being

595
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,370
the world's preeminent spaceport now and in the

596
00:32:35,370 --> 00:32:40,380
future. And ultimately, the NASA goal is to let

597
00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:43,890
Americans become a space faring people and explore

598
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,680
the the cosmos to the fullest extent of our

599
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,240
abilities. So knowing that and wanting that to

600
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,770
happen, they have to keep an eye on two main goals,

601
00:32:56,550 --> 00:32:58,320
which is the foundation of leadership and

602
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,870
management, the job getting done and the group

603
00:33:00,870 --> 00:33:05,550
staying together. Kacey, to that end, has been at

604
00:33:05,550 --> 00:33:08,370
the top of what we call the federal employee

605
00:33:08,370 --> 00:33:12,620
viewpoint survey since its inception 10 years ago,

606
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,010
2010, 11 years ago now in leadership and support

607
00:33:17,010 --> 00:33:20,640
for diversity because it squarely has the needs of

608
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,680
the people in its sights and achieving the mission.

609
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,890
And DNI of the job getting done in the group

610
00:33:28,890 --> 00:33:32,720
stayed together. We maintain a clear silence for

611
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,620
the mission and the efforts that we do are to

612
00:33:36,620 --> 00:33:39,770
contribute to a team cohesion, the morale to make

613
00:33:39,770 --> 00:33:44,570
those things happen. So with managers. The primary

614
00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:47,540
concern is task completion, you know, and that is

615
00:33:48,380 --> 00:33:50,960
pretty inflexible. If you're manager and you're

616
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,240
leading the team task completion is the goal.

617
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,340
Employees not only are concerned with task

618
00:33:55,340 --> 00:33:57,650
completion, but primarily the conditions of

619
00:33:57,650 --> 00:34:00,530
employment. They want to work in a place where

620
00:34:00,530 --> 00:34:05,010
they are able to contribute and and be rewarded in

621
00:34:05,010 --> 00:34:07,310
a different fashion, coming through with their.

622
00:34:08,910 --> 00:34:11,100
With their contributions, so

623
00:34:15,690 --> 00:34:18,900
why is it important to Bill's point? I prefer

624
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:21,270
going to the Q&A as soon as possible, so if you

625
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:22,680
could pull up the one spot I have.

626
00:34:26,740 --> 00:34:30,010
Why is it important that we foster diversity in a

627
00:34:32,140 --> 00:34:34,690
crawl space industry in both personnel and

628
00:34:34,810 --> 00:34:38,560
industry? This is the Maslow's hierarchy of needs,

629
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:41,920
if you remember that, from my psych 101 in college.

630
00:34:43,770 --> 00:34:46,200
Where we are, the space center and how we're

631
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,780
performing, we are beyond the basic physiological

632
00:34:51,780 --> 00:34:55,220
needs and Maslow's quarters. This was quite true.

633
00:34:55,590 --> 00:34:58,350
That man lives by bread alone and there is no

634
00:34:58,350 --> 00:35:02,580
bread. But what happens when Mars desires? Well,

635
00:35:02,580 --> 00:35:04,530
there's plenty of bread in his belly is

636
00:35:04,530 --> 00:35:07,440
chronically feel. So once you get past the

637
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,410
psychological or physiological needs of having the

638
00:35:10,410 --> 00:35:13,560
office or having the place to go to, the safety

639
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,590
needs of having employment, having a paycheck,

640
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:20,940
what comes next? It's love and belonging, steam

641
00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:25,260
and eventually self actualization through DNR

642
00:35:25,260 --> 00:35:27,390
processes and inclusion. You know, we're looking

643
00:35:27,390 --> 00:35:30,210
at that belonging, that network. Barbara mentioned

644
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,660
her affiliation to the employer research groups

645
00:35:33,870 --> 00:35:37,830
and connection with one another. Those are tools

646
00:35:37,830 --> 00:35:40,500
we use to make sure that we have that across the

647
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:44,460
board connection community and we promote that as

648
00:35:44,460 --> 00:35:49,020
much as we can through our seven groups. And then

649
00:35:49,020 --> 00:35:50,970
when it comes to real inclusion, we're looking for

650
00:35:50,970 --> 00:35:54,630
respect, self esteem, status recognition, all of

651
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:57,630
those things that make going to work and being

652
00:35:57,630 --> 00:36:00,270
part of a team and achievement more than just

653
00:36:00,270 --> 00:36:04,220
something that we do to. You know, to pay our

654
00:36:04,220 --> 00:36:08,120
bills and to take care of our families so that,

655
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,720
you know, that is why DNA and diversity, inclusion

656
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:13,760
is one of the things I call very simple, to learn

657
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,030
the basics, very difficult to master. It takes a

658
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:19,820
long term commitment and understanding and an

659
00:36:19,820 --> 00:36:24,530
approach to be dedicated. We found the sausage KFC

660
00:36:24,860 --> 00:36:27,140
to do that, and we like to share that with you.

661
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:31,670
Part of that key is that a lot of our employees, a

662
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:35,180
lot of our workers, co-workers come from contract

663
00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:37,670
companies. We look at the results and we look at

664
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:40,630
the personality one. Well, we have the capacity to

665
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,520
infiltrate space industry locally. We also want to

666
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,000
have diverse groups to pull from because there is

667
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,170
a principle, a generally accepted principle that.

668
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:57,800
Diverse teams provide the best answers to complex

669
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,320
problems, and if you accept that, accept accepted

670
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,280
principle like we do the diversity that your team

671
00:37:04,460 --> 00:37:07,490
is going to get you to better answers more rapidly

672
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:12,170
and more complete answers in the future. So I'll

673
00:37:12,170 --> 00:37:18,110
take questions then. Thanks, Barbara. Thank you.

674
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,640
Thanks, Rob. Dale and Edgar, for everyone

675
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,730
listening out there, please feel free to send in

676
00:37:25,730 --> 00:37:28,430
some questions. I do have some pre curated

677
00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:31,280
questions for our panelists, and we would love to

678
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,580
hear from you guys. So if you found something or

679
00:37:34,820 --> 00:37:37,010
that you want to ask more about that any of these

680
00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:39,110
guys talked about or how these topics come

681
00:37:39,110 --> 00:37:42,650
together, feel free to reach out and we will field

682
00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:46,760
as many of those as we can. I'm going to start

683
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,390
with Dale, and this is going to be a quasi

684
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:53,720
question from the ones that I sent you. I would

685
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:57,770
like you to help us tie together the importance of.

686
00:37:58,820 --> 00:38:01,670
Industry diversification and diversification of

687
00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:04,040
the workforce and how those things are so

688
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,650
important here on the Space Coast and what things

689
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:12,830
we're doing well, you think? Sure. Well, I look at

690
00:38:12,830 --> 00:38:15,380
it in the context of.

691
00:38:18,610 --> 00:38:22,600
I grew up here. I've been here a long time. I'm

692
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,800
old as hell. It dawned on me actually sitting here

693
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,930
that not only have I been here since the

694
00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:32,770
cancellation of the shuttle retirement shuttle

695
00:38:32,770 --> 00:38:38,120
cancellation of Apollo. The Apollo one fire, the

696
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,300
launching of John Glenn and Alan Shepard. Hell,

697
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,530
I've been here since before Sputnik and the great

698
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:47,960
part of the space race was during

699
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,060
during when we were competing with the Russians.

700
00:38:53,540 --> 00:38:56,480
And we're now going into an arena where we're

701
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,370
competing with the Chinese and the Chinese. And I

702
00:39:01,690 --> 00:39:03,680
have nothing but deep and profound respect for the

703
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,850
Chinese. It is an immensely capable and formidable

704
00:39:07,850 --> 00:39:11,120
competitor where we're going to be confronting in

705
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:16,250
for the next generation. And if we are going to

706
00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:21,350
compete with a nation that has lots of resources,

707
00:39:22,370 --> 00:39:25,790
a heck of a lot more skilled talent than we're

708
00:39:25,790 --> 00:39:28,910
generating on a yearly basis in terms of

709
00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:32,750
engineering degrees. This nation is going to have

710
00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:36,830
to corral all of its talent. We can't leave

711
00:39:36,830 --> 00:39:42,230
anybody behind. And the great years when we were

712
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,710
the early years, I can remember growing up in

713
00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:49,700
Cocoa Beach, the only people who were leaders were

714
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,300
white guys. And, you know, obviously there was

715
00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:58,670
some success with that. But going forward, that's

716
00:39:58,700 --> 00:40:01,010
way too much talent to leave on the bench.

717
00:40:03,020 --> 00:40:08,480
And we need to to Rob's point, I think that, again,

718
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,750
is an area where the federal government is leading

719
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:15,020
in a manner that it is going to be healthy for the

720
00:40:15,020 --> 00:40:17,900
broader human enterprise in the future is making

721
00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:21,050
sure that we're we're providing opportunity and

722
00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:26,630
educating everyone in America because China is

723
00:40:27,380 --> 00:40:30,440
bigger than we are. So we need everybody on the

724
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,980
playing field. And I think that, you know, think

725
00:40:33,980 --> 00:40:37,490
globally, act locally. Our ability to make sure

726
00:40:37,490 --> 00:40:40,580
we're doing that here regionally and in the state

727
00:40:40,580 --> 00:40:44,420
is if we don't do that, we're really handicapping

728
00:40:44,420 --> 00:40:46,850
ourselves. I hope that answers the question.

729
00:40:52,580 --> 00:40:55,940
Great. Yeah, thank you, dear. I appreciate that. I

730
00:40:55,940 --> 00:41:01,310
am also not also I am the woman on this panel who

731
00:41:01,310 --> 00:41:07,280
came into a construction office at KSC. And I do

732
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,460
believe Kennedy is working hard to. And the Space

733
00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:16,780
Coast is working hard to make and support

734
00:41:16,780 --> 00:41:21,310
companies that look like the rest of the

735
00:41:21,310 --> 00:41:24,430
population. Right. And that helps us from both

736
00:41:24,430 --> 00:41:27,610
perspectives. If we have a group of people leading

737
00:41:27,610 --> 00:41:30,430
the entire spaceport that all look the same and

738
00:41:30,430 --> 00:41:32,680
have the same background, we're going to have a

739
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,470
hard time bringing in diverse thought, which has a

740
00:41:35,470 --> 00:41:38,440
hard time bringing in diverse business, which also

741
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,570
limits the ability to create new things and and

742
00:41:43,570 --> 00:41:47,830
really explode in the market and the world and

743
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,740
these things that we have the ability and the

744
00:41:50,740 --> 00:41:53,410
talent and the space hopefully to do over the next

745
00:41:53,410 --> 00:41:59,760
few years. We do have a question from Andrew. What

746
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,760
is the future of space ports across the country

747
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,240
and world? That's a big question. I will say we

748
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:09,570
also have a space ports around the world and a

749
00:42:09,570 --> 00:42:13,830
space ports around the country. Panel this during

750
00:42:13,830 --> 00:42:16,370
this. Conference.

751
00:42:20,490 --> 00:42:23,790
I Dale, do you have any thoughts on that? I think

752
00:42:23,790 --> 00:42:25,950
we're pretty specific to Florida on here, but I

753
00:42:25,950 --> 00:42:28,050
will give anybody a shot who wants to take that

754
00:42:28,050 --> 00:42:28,380
one.

755
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,530
I can touch on it. I think there are a lot of

756
00:42:36,530 --> 00:42:38,900
space ports, I mean, it's a problem. I know the

757
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:41,510
FAA has been struggling with this for quite some

758
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:45,420
time because. They have only so many people to

759
00:42:45,420 --> 00:42:50,070
manage launch licenses and re-entry licenses and

760
00:42:50,070 --> 00:42:54,510
other stuff, but also to license commercial space

761
00:42:54,510 --> 00:42:58,320
ports like the Space Coast Regional Airport just

762
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,430
got its license. But it's as a spaceport. But they

763
00:43:02,430 --> 00:43:05,010
were they've been trying to do that for five years

764
00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:05,880
or close.

765
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:14,190
And, you know, space ports are it's a sexy thing

766
00:43:14,190 --> 00:43:16,830
to talk about at a Rotary Club or a county

767
00:43:16,830 --> 00:43:19,680
commission. You want to capture a piece of this

768
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,040
new burgeoning market, blah, blah, blah, and

769
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:28,680
people go after it. But that's, you know, don't go

770
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,430
after it unless you've got a market, somebody to,

771
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:35,580
you know, a customer. Hand in hand who's helping

772
00:43:35,580 --> 00:43:39,060
you to do it because, you know, there's a lot of

773
00:43:39,060 --> 00:43:42,990
spaceports around the country. Most of them don't

774
00:43:42,990 --> 00:43:48,570
have customers. And you want in. By the same token,

775
00:43:48,570 --> 00:43:50,700
you want to have a marketplace. It's an

776
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:53,730
infrastructure that's as much as possible ahead of

777
00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:57,350
the marketplace. But you got to make sure the

778
00:43:57,350 --> 00:43:59,570
marketplace is going to follow where you're making

779
00:43:59,570 --> 00:44:04,410
big capital investments. But at the end of the day,

780
00:44:05,550 --> 00:44:09,450
as was mentioned at a panel yesterday, I forget

781
00:44:09,450 --> 00:44:15,150
who said it, but the aviation, air travel and

782
00:44:15,150 --> 00:44:18,030
space travel will at some point in the not too

783
00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:21,610
well in the intermediate distant future will merge.

784
00:44:21,630 --> 00:44:24,350
It's just people traveling, whether you're going

785
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,410
staying in the air or suborbital or orbital or

786
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,150
intergalactic, who knows.

787
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,140
So I think the I think there's there's that's a

788
00:44:37,140 --> 00:44:41,190
hard thing to manage. And I just hope we don't

789
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:44,190
screw it up. I don't I don't pretend to have the

790
00:44:44,190 --> 00:44:44,910
exact answer.

791
00:44:47,310 --> 00:44:50,400
OK, Edgar. Rob, did you guys have anything to add

792
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,500
on that or I have a couple other questions. OK,

793
00:44:56,190 --> 00:45:00,480
Edgar, what programs currently exist or are in

794
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,810
development that foster industry diversification

795
00:45:03,810 --> 00:45:05,730
across the Space Coast?

796
00:45:08,220 --> 00:45:09,720
Thank you for that question.

797
00:45:11,850 --> 00:45:15,390
Economic development is a change you feel, and,

798
00:45:15,390 --> 00:45:19,140
you know, as Dell mentioned, competition is not

799
00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:24,780
only nationwide, it's also worldwide. And as we're

800
00:45:24,780 --> 00:45:27,840
competing with other communities around the state

801
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,000
of Florida and around the nation to attract

802
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,290
investment and attract the votes you find based to

803
00:45:34,290 --> 00:45:38,100
our community that ADC and the partners around the

804
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:41,010
community have to innovate to create new programs

805
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,570
that are that help. Maintain that edge that we're

806
00:45:46,570 --> 00:45:50,170
looking so that you see in the past has created

807
00:45:50,170 --> 00:45:54,250
some some programs to address that changing field

808
00:45:54,250 --> 00:45:56,440
of economic development. One of them that you

809
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,620
probably are very familiar with, the NASA families,

810
00:45:59,620 --> 00:46:02,800
that the NASA technology dockings was a program

811
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,630
that was created to help businesses access

812
00:46:07,630 --> 00:46:12,100
expertise from from from the NASA centers. And

813
00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:14,380
obviously, we're blessed with having spent the

814
00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:17,990
Kennedy Space Center in this community. But it's

815
00:46:18,010 --> 00:46:22,720
also the ATC acknowledges that in that competition

816
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:25,780
that we are now nationwide, also we're competing

817
00:46:25,780 --> 00:46:28,450
to attract talent in our companies locally are,

818
00:46:28,450 --> 00:46:31,990
you know, is competing nationwide to attract that

819
00:46:32,350 --> 00:46:35,320
talent from everywhere in the nation, in the world.

820
00:46:35,350 --> 00:46:39,760
So one of the initiatives that they created in the

821
00:46:40,090 --> 00:46:42,460
last few years is that live on Florida's Space

822
00:46:42,460 --> 00:46:45,880
Coast, which is a campaign to market the assets of

823
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,670
our community to that new generation, to new

824
00:46:48,670 --> 00:46:51,040
talent, just highlighting how special our

825
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,680
community is and highlighting the opportunities

826
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:57,880
that are available for for for talent, either

827
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,680
starting or meet career or experience other

828
00:47:02,890 --> 00:47:06,820
programs that the U.S. has partnered with, with

829
00:47:06,820 --> 00:47:08,890
organizations around the community. And you

830
00:47:08,890 --> 00:47:12,370
probably know is that a program certified for

831
00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:15,370
production technician, which is a very innovative

832
00:47:15,370 --> 00:47:16,450
program to help.

833
00:47:18,750 --> 00:47:21,910
Bravas residents are wanting to transition from

834
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:25,600
another industry into manufacturing or from or are

835
00:47:25,630 --> 00:47:27,820
they just having that career transition and they

836
00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:31,360
want to aim for an iPad where they want to access

837
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,880
that. That ladder in manufacturing would offer

838
00:47:34,180 --> 00:47:38,920
opportunities from from the high school Massola to

839
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,980
another program that the ADC has been successful

840
00:47:44,980 --> 00:47:47,350
in starting has been a simplified, nimble and

841
00:47:47,350 --> 00:47:49,840
accelerated permitting, trying to obviously be

842
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,080
competitive in attracting investment, having our

843
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,080
municipalities and government jurisdictions being

844
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,500
responsive and being able to offer that edge when

845
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,530
we are competing against, again, other communities

846
00:48:02,530 --> 00:48:04,150
around the state of Florida, AutoNation.

847
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,680
Thank you, Edgar. Sounds like some incredible

848
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,180
programs. Are those all available on your website

849
00:48:14,180 --> 00:48:16,700
or can they find out about these things on your

850
00:48:16,700 --> 00:48:21,050
Web site, Space Coast ITG? Correct. You could find

851
00:48:21,050 --> 00:48:24,920
more information about on our website. And many of

852
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,980
those programs I was mentioning are worth winning.

853
00:48:27,980 --> 00:48:30,530
So you potentially, as you Google things, you will

854
00:48:30,530 --> 00:48:33,920
find a lot of pressing coverage of that. But I

855
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,630
invite everyone to go to our website, Space Ghost

856
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:40,780
EDC Network. Very cool. Thank you for that, Edgar.

857
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,430
I encourage you guys to check that out. I spent

858
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:45,590
some time on their website and there are some very

859
00:48:45,590 --> 00:48:48,950
neat opportunities and tools in there. So we do

860
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:52,160
have a question from the audience. Jeremy has

861
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,340
asked, how can workforce diversification help

862
00:48:55,340 --> 00:48:58,370
industry diversification? And Rob, would you mind

863
00:48:58,370 --> 00:49:01,250
starting us off with that? Dale and Edgar, if you

864
00:49:01,250 --> 00:49:06,320
have, I shouldn't feel free to. Absolutely.

865
00:49:06,340 --> 00:49:08,890
Barbara, thank you. Good question, Jeremy. Well,

866
00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:11,620
again, the complex problems that we're trying to

867
00:49:11,620 --> 00:49:14,200
solve come quickly or more efficiently through

868
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,770
complex teams at the top of it and also want to

869
00:49:17,770 --> 00:49:19,810
make sure we don't limit the idea of

870
00:49:19,810 --> 00:49:22,000
diversification to just what people appear to be

871
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,830
and what they look like. A lot of it is the

872
00:49:23,830 --> 00:49:26,050
direction, the versification of the experience and

873
00:49:26,050 --> 00:49:31,450
background, viewpoints, technologies or other ways

874
00:49:31,450 --> 00:49:35,710
of coming at problems and solving them in a way

875
00:49:36,130 --> 00:49:40,690
that encourages dissent and communication and

876
00:49:40,690 --> 00:49:43,330
interaction. You know, some of NASA's most

877
00:49:43,330 --> 00:49:48,340
spectacular failures have been traced back to

878
00:49:49,690 --> 00:49:54,070
groupthink and stagnation of ideas, or at least

879
00:49:55,060 --> 00:49:59,200
people being so homogeneous in thought that they

880
00:49:59,650 --> 00:50:02,920
fail to have the imagination to see what could go

881
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:08,620
wrong. So having groups that come at things from

882
00:50:08,620 --> 00:50:10,870
different angles and different mindsets and

883
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:14,890
different experiences allows for a fully formed

884
00:50:15,220 --> 00:50:18,760
and better result when we're trying to solve these

885
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,300
problems. So that's the upshot from my point.

886
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:27,230
Thank you, Rob Daylor. Edgar, did you want to jump

887
00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:35,720
in there? I guess I just play off of my my I look

888
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:40,400
at it in the context of we do need more

889
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,770
perspectives. Again, we obviously need all the

890
00:50:45,770 --> 00:50:51,830
talent we can muster. And the competition is

891
00:50:51,830 --> 00:50:54,950
fierce and it ain't going to get any less. So, but

892
00:50:54,950 --> 00:51:00,870
it's also like. It's like it's like food, you know,

893
00:51:00,910 --> 00:51:04,210
I was raised on sort of southern country food, and

894
00:51:04,210 --> 00:51:07,600
that's great. But my God, there's so much better

895
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,840
for the world to have the opportunity to select.

896
00:51:12,190 --> 00:51:15,190
And it brings different perspectives. And that

897
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:20,340
then opens up. The marketplace is not just America.

898
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,400
America is still a pretty small percentage of the

899
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,200
population of the world. So you've got, you know,

900
00:51:28,420 --> 00:51:34,110
seven billion customers, potential customers. Who

901
00:51:34,110 --> 00:51:36,930
aren't American, and you need to know how to think

902
00:51:36,930 --> 00:51:39,240
like them, how to approach them, how what they're

903
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:43,320
thinking, if you're going to be good, good at

904
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,800
selling and marketing and meeting their needs and

905
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,140
collaborating with them, because we're going to

906
00:51:49,890 --> 00:51:52,620
we're not going to get to Mars just on the US

907
00:51:53,070 --> 00:51:57,840
dollar. We're going to need being able to bring

908
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:04,530
other people into common cause for a whole host of

909
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,170
issues means we're going to need to be able to

910
00:52:07,260 --> 00:52:09,180
think like them. And I think that's the American

911
00:52:09,180 --> 00:52:09,960
strength is,

912
00:52:12,030 --> 00:52:15,810
you know, we're a collection of everybody. And

913
00:52:16,260 --> 00:52:21,060
unlike most of the rest of the world, and I think

914
00:52:21,060 --> 00:52:22,800
that's a strength we need to play to.

915
00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:30,650
I love that. Thank you. And Rob, let me just add

916
00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:34,700
something real quick. Thank you. Florida is an

917
00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:37,190
interesting state, know it's a very diverse state

918
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,730
and it's a gateway to Latin America and the

919
00:52:40,730 --> 00:52:44,360
Caribbean. And we're blessed with that diversity

920
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,800
and that across the state. The interesting part in

921
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,170
Florida has been that encounter of cultures for,

922
00:52:51,170 --> 00:52:54,230
you know, since the beginning of time is dangerous

923
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:57,470
in part with Florida. It's also that our tourism

924
00:52:57,470 --> 00:52:59,630
industry brings people from around the world to

925
00:52:59,630 --> 00:53:04,340
experience that, that the beauty and and assets

926
00:53:04,340 --> 00:53:05,750
that we have in this state,

927
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:11,180
in normal times, not a pandemic. We receive around

928
00:53:11,180 --> 00:53:15,140
one hundred and twenty million people coming to

929
00:53:15,380 --> 00:53:17,420
visit our community from across the nation and

930
00:53:17,420 --> 00:53:19,850
across the world. So it's a really interesting

931
00:53:19,850 --> 00:53:24,940
opportunity for industries and for for for

932
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:28,910
businesses in that in the state to cater to people

933
00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:31,970
from all walks of life and from all parts of that

934
00:53:31,970 --> 00:53:35,240
of the country in the world, but also a plague

935
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:38,420
that in talent attraction as well, and being able

936
00:53:38,420 --> 00:53:41,540
to be that magnet of talent. You know, we always

937
00:53:41,540 --> 00:53:44,960
hear the saying of, you know, we are lucky to live

938
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,540
in a state where other people come to vacation

939
00:53:47,540 --> 00:53:50,270
here. So I just want to leave that one just, you

940
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:52,730
know, was bragging about obviously our state, our

941
00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:56,230
great state of Florida. I love that Edgar, that

942
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:58,690
was that was great. Thank you to all three of you.

943
00:53:59,410 --> 00:54:00,880
Thank you, Andrew and Jeremy, for those two

944
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,150
questions. We do have another question from George

945
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:08,410
that asks What programs can be put into place to

946
00:54:08,410 --> 00:54:11,080
encourage a diverse workforce to move into our

947
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:17,470
area on that? And then I will happen to you as

948
00:54:17,470 --> 00:54:21,160
well. One of the things that's really painful for

949
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,810
me as a as a non native Floridian, I came from

950
00:54:25,810 --> 00:54:29,920
Texas. I knew nothing about the space program. I

951
00:54:30,220 --> 00:54:32,590
did not it was not a childhood dream to work for

952
00:54:32,590 --> 00:54:36,520
NASA. I was a horse trainer that fell into it and

953
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,140
worked very hard to get a degree in civil

954
00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:41,920
engineering and then fell into a job at NASA, an

955
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,770
internship. And with that first internship, I

956
00:54:44,770 --> 00:54:47,620
bought a house on the Space Coast before I had a

957
00:54:47,620 --> 00:54:51,580
job and moved here. Right. And I'll tell you, it's

958
00:54:51,580 --> 00:54:55,810
a people thing. And there are so many people on

959
00:54:55,810 --> 00:54:58,320
the space coast that have this passion. Right.

960
00:54:58,340 --> 00:55:01,720
That's why Edgar exists in his position. And Dale

961
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:05,560
and Rob right there and sorry. Yes, Dale and Rob,

962
00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:10,600
the passion of people in the space program program

963
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,390
is different than anything I've experienced

964
00:55:13,390 --> 00:55:16,630
anywhere else in the world that I've traveled. So

965
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:19,180
aside from a program, one of the things we can

966
00:55:19,180 --> 00:55:22,420
each do as individuals is to take the time and the

967
00:55:22,420 --> 00:55:25,750
energy to share that passion. When we are on

968
00:55:25,780 --> 00:55:28,780
vacation, when we are on the Internet and our

969
00:55:28,780 --> 00:55:33,460
global communities, when we are on conferences,

970
00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:36,850
virtual conferences across the the nation and the

971
00:55:36,850 --> 00:55:39,370
world, now take the time to share that passion

972
00:55:39,370 --> 00:55:41,470
that brought you to this conference with each

973
00:55:41,470 --> 00:55:46,250
other, with your friends and. And there's a very

974
00:55:46,250 --> 00:55:48,380
natural growth that comes there, right, share the

975
00:55:48,380 --> 00:55:50,720
things that excite you across your social media

976
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:57,050
platforms and just talk to people. So, Rob Dale

977
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,040
Edgar, would any of you like to hop into that

978
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,230
question? What programs can be put into place to

979
00:56:03,230 --> 00:56:06,080
encourage a diverse workforce to move to our area?

980
00:56:07,130 --> 00:56:10,610
I can chime in real quick, Barbara, as I mentioned

981
00:56:10,610 --> 00:56:13,820
and I want to repeat, a lot of these that started

982
00:56:13,820 --> 00:56:16,520
that live became Florida's space coast to market

983
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,160
our community to that talent base across the

984
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,820
nation to help our employers recruit that diverse

985
00:56:22,820 --> 00:56:25,400
workforce and talented workforce to come here.

986
00:56:25,950 --> 00:56:29,090
We're an amazing community at the cost of living

987
00:56:29,090 --> 00:56:34,250
the weather that the tax environment is. But it's

988
00:56:34,250 --> 00:56:38,660
where it's best kept secret is we have to keep

989
00:56:38,660 --> 00:56:42,350
promoting that, as you mentioned, Barbara. But one

990
00:56:42,350 --> 00:56:46,120
of the key ways also to attract workforce is, you

991
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,830
know, and diverse workforce is what is happening

992
00:56:48,830 --> 00:56:52,040
in our community. Our companies are growing in a

993
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,070
tremendous way. And if you think about most of the

994
00:56:55,070 --> 00:56:57,590
companies, obviously the base of companies here in

995
00:56:57,590 --> 00:57:00,320
the space goes for manufacturing related and

996
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,080
manufacturing normally tends to hire people from

997
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,170
across the spectrum of education, from, you know,

998
00:57:06,170 --> 00:57:10,220
from GE. And that offers a lot of opportunities

999
00:57:10,220 --> 00:57:13,490
for people to come and go, you know, and start a

1000
00:57:13,490 --> 00:57:16,290
career in that in that world. I always say that

1001
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,000
the great quality of life always starts with a job.

1002
00:57:20,030 --> 00:57:22,280
If you you know, you don't have a job, you're not

1003
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,770
able to enjoy the good things of the quality of

1004
00:57:24,770 --> 00:57:28,460
life of a place. So that's for me, that's one of

1005
00:57:28,460 --> 00:57:32,330
the best ways of getting a diverse workforce into

1006
00:57:32,330 --> 00:57:34,580
our community. Just keep promoting our

1007
00:57:34,580 --> 00:57:37,880
manufacturing sector and that growing high tech

1008
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,400
innovation ecosystem to keep bringing people and

1009
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,070
hiring people from our community as well.

1010
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,700
All right, I was unmuted while I was typing into

1011
00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:54,820
the chat there, I apologize for that, guys. I'm

1012
00:57:54,820 --> 00:57:57,880
going to go on to. I appreciate that. That was a

1013
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,770
great conversation. This is one of the things, as

1014
00:57:59,770 --> 00:58:01,750
I think you can tell, I'm very passionate about. I

1015
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:05,080
talk about the Space Coast and what we do out here

1016
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:09,790
and our community every chance that I get. Ron has

1017
00:58:09,790 --> 00:58:13,690
asked if we can address the entry barriers for

1018
00:58:13,690 --> 00:58:18,560
small businesses into the space markets. Is that a

1019
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:19,570
Dale question?

1020
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:30,080
I think that the challenge for small business, one,

1021
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,590
the space business is pretty much by definition so

1022
00:58:33,590 --> 00:58:40,070
far a upfront capital intensive endeavor. And

1023
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,320
but I think that the challenge that we're looking

1024
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:50,210
at right now is. The small businesses are a part

1025
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:53,600
of any federal contract requirement. I mean,

1026
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,930
you've got to sign in. You've got to qualify to

1027
00:58:56,930 --> 00:59:00,080
get federal work and and get on to a federal

1028
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,230
contract or even if you're second, third or fourth

1029
00:59:03,230 --> 00:59:04,130
tier supplier.

1030
00:59:06,130 --> 00:59:12,070
But the federal work, there's a pathway, a pretty

1031
00:59:12,370 --> 00:59:16,630
clear pathway to getting on to federal work. I

1032
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:19,990
mean, you've got to check all the boxes. But then

1033
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:22,930
if you go to a lot of the private sector,

1034
00:59:22,930 --> 00:59:26,890
particularly the two big boys, SpaceX and Blue,

1035
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:32,290
they're a very horizontally integrated companies.

1036
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:37,840
SpaceX has very few subcontractors. They like to

1037
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,590
do it all themselves. Elon is kind of famous for

1038
00:59:41,950 --> 00:59:44,410
if something goes wrong, he wants somebody, he can

1039
00:59:44,410 --> 00:59:47,110
fire it. He doesn't want to have a contractor.

1040
00:59:47,110 --> 00:59:48,420
He's got to go yell at.

1041
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,800
That's that's changing slowly. Just the nature of

1042
00:59:54,460 --> 00:59:56,740
running a business that's getting ever larger.

1043
00:59:59,530 --> 01:00:02,830
And I don't honestly know that on the commercial

1044
01:00:02,830 --> 01:00:06,490
sector that's still maturing as to what's the best

1045
01:00:06,790 --> 01:00:10,540
pathway on the federal side, there's a pretty

1046
01:00:10,540 --> 01:00:16,570
clear marked out path commercial sector. And as it

1047
01:00:16,570 --> 01:00:20,350
grows bigger and expands into new areas that are

1048
01:00:20,350 --> 01:00:24,310
less associated with just launch and landing and

1049
01:00:24,310 --> 01:00:27,490
processing, the the real value is going to be

1050
01:00:27,490 --> 01:00:30,160
utilizing the information that comes from space,

1051
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:34,120
whether it's climate change monitoring, remote

1052
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,990
sensing. You know, the we want we're not too far

1053
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:40,210
away from parents being able to follow their

1054
01:00:40,210 --> 01:00:42,640
teenagers when they borrow the car and in the

1055
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:49,240
evening, real time by satellite. So there's going

1056
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,000
to be and that's just an example of what

1057
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,980
opportunities are going to become available. We

1058
01:00:53,980 --> 01:00:55,160
don't even know what they are yet.

1059
01:00:58,230 --> 01:01:01,230
So I will have been there a moment as well, I'm

1060
01:01:01,230 --> 01:01:05,760
involved with quite a few outside organizations,

1061
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,740
the International Space Settlement Design,

1062
01:01:07,740 --> 01:01:11,060
competition, higher orbits. I volunteer with them.

1063
01:01:12,510 --> 01:01:16,200
Both of those organizations have professionals

1064
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:20,610
that work with students on how the space industry

1065
01:01:20,610 --> 01:01:23,850
works. One works with a request for proposal. And

1066
01:01:23,850 --> 01:01:26,460
these these are both government folks that have

1067
01:01:26,460 --> 01:01:30,600
worked on RFP is outside or inside the government

1068
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,660
and contractors that have done that and then hire

1069
01:01:33,660 --> 01:01:38,880
orbits actually launches space CubeSat to space

1070
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:41,550
experiments right now, CubeSat experiments to

1071
01:01:41,550 --> 01:01:46,440
space on the ISS. Michelle Lucas does that. So if

1072
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:50,210
you are. Thinking about a startup and haven't been

1073
01:01:50,210 --> 01:01:52,790
involved in that kind of thing, getting involved

1074
01:01:52,790 --> 01:01:56,990
with the organizations that do this on a smaller,

1075
01:01:56,990 --> 01:02:01,340
affordable nonprofit scale might be a good way to

1076
01:02:01,340 --> 01:02:03,620
understand how that process works without a front

1077
01:02:03,830 --> 01:02:06,080
forward investment. And it's a great networking

1078
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:07,940
opportunity to get with the companies that are

1079
01:02:07,940 --> 01:02:11,570
larger. That might have been a little off topic,

1080
01:02:11,570 --> 01:02:14,410
but I think we're headed in the same direction.

1081
01:02:19,030 --> 01:02:23,140
We I am going to throw one more question out here

1082
01:02:23,140 --> 01:02:24,550
from our existing.

1083
01:02:27,930 --> 01:02:34,080
Rob. Do we is there a diversity tax task force at

1084
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,820
Kennedy Space Center and how do they interact with

1085
01:02:38,820 --> 01:02:41,550
our commercial partners as we diversify across the

1086
01:02:41,550 --> 01:02:45,680
space center? Great question. We have multiple

1087
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,520
task force, especially stemming out of some recent

1088
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,710
activities here in the country, you know,

1089
01:02:52,010 --> 01:02:56,230
leadership at KSC recognize that, you know, we we

1090
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,780
want to work with the whole person. Right. So it's

1091
01:02:59,780 --> 01:03:02,660
not just task oriented. Do your job. We want to

1092
01:03:02,660 --> 01:03:06,140
connect with everyone at every level that's going

1093
01:03:06,140 --> 01:03:08,570
to make them a better employee in the long run. So

1094
01:03:08,570 --> 01:03:12,680
we have, you know, a task force headed by Janet

1095
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,620
Pacho, the deputy director, that just set a new

1096
01:03:15,950 --> 01:03:20,960
goal for recruitment for for the a really lean

1097
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,270
forward goal for recruitment for the Center for

1098
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:26,120
Diversification, an American Russification course.

1099
01:03:26,540 --> 01:03:28,630
We have Bob Cabana, who's the director of the

1100
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,630
Diversity and Inclusion Council, which manages the

1101
01:03:32,810 --> 01:03:36,170
employee resource groups and allows really the

1102
01:03:36,620 --> 01:03:38,760
employees at every level to interface directly to

1103
01:03:38,780 --> 01:03:41,180
the center director on these issues. In these

1104
01:03:41,180 --> 01:03:45,290
matters close to went back to Marceau's, the

1105
01:03:45,290 --> 01:03:49,850
connection, the belonging and steam elements of

1106
01:03:49,850 --> 01:03:54,260
the of the list of needs. So they interface

1107
01:03:54,260 --> 01:03:56,150
directly without a filter from their management

1108
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:58,760
team. They're right in his ear and can tell them

1109
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,570
concerns from the bottom up and get action on

1110
01:04:03,140 --> 01:04:05,840
things that are of concern or of interest to them.

1111
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:09,350
We have champions, executive champions out of the

1112
01:04:09,350 --> 01:04:13,580
organization. And as far as interface from a

1113
01:04:14,570 --> 01:04:17,210
corporate standpoint, we don't have really strong

1114
01:04:17,210 --> 01:04:20,370
connections there to the corporate side of the

1115
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,330
commercial side of it because they have their own

1116
01:04:23,330 --> 01:04:27,770
human resources connections. Ten years ago, Boeing

1117
01:04:27,770 --> 01:04:30,110
was doing it better than NASA was and a lot of

1118
01:04:30,110 --> 01:04:34,070
ways. So it really depends on the leadership

1119
01:04:34,070 --> 01:04:37,370
coming from the top and saying that we're going to

1120
01:04:37,370 --> 01:04:44,780
commit to the inclusive practice of every employee.

1121
01:04:45,230 --> 01:04:49,050
And you could tell, you know, going back to my

1122
01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:51,340
original premise, naturally getting the job done.

1123
01:04:51,540 --> 01:04:53,930
We've mentioned Elon Musk a couple times. There's

1124
01:04:53,930 --> 01:04:56,360
no question he gets the job done with the Dallas

1125
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,940
plant. Sometimes there's blood on the floor and

1126
01:04:59,060 --> 01:05:02,330
he's fired whole shifts because of lack of

1127
01:05:02,330 --> 01:05:06,290
performance. Well, in the short run, that is a

1128
01:05:06,290 --> 01:05:08,510
management strategy that seems to be successful.

1129
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:12,320
But it can't seem as if we want to have a long

1130
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,110
term relationship. We bring people on. We invest

1131
01:05:15,110 --> 01:05:17,060
thousands, if not hundreds of thousand dollars of

1132
01:05:17,060 --> 01:05:20,300
training them. And we do not want them to be

1133
01:05:20,300 --> 01:05:23,990
unfulfilled at the end of their career. And again,

1134
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:29,290
the stats for federal, maybe different contractor

1135
01:05:29,300 --> 01:05:33,200
workforce may be transitory, where in a community

1136
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,140
like can't see, it seems like a small town. People

1137
01:05:36,140 --> 01:05:39,140
come, they love it, they commit to the mission and

1138
01:05:39,140 --> 01:05:42,410
they stay, you know, for 30 or 40 years. So you

1139
01:05:42,410 --> 01:05:45,230
want a good relationship and and a good level of

1140
01:05:45,230 --> 01:05:48,290
equity in in that relationship. So I hope I

1141
01:05:48,290 --> 01:05:50,570
answered your point about the many layers of

1142
01:05:50,930 --> 01:05:53,210
involvement needs to. We have something to record.

1143
01:05:53,540 --> 01:05:57,110
Each record has some discrete version of diverse

1144
01:05:57,110 --> 01:05:59,810
and inclusive practice. Some are better than

1145
01:05:59,810 --> 01:06:03,110
others. But we're all coming along in some fashion

1146
01:06:03,110 --> 01:06:06,830
to do just that thing. But again, the connection

1147
01:06:06,830 --> 01:06:10,820
to contract companies is not fully formed. There

1148
01:06:10,820 --> 01:06:14,210
are opportunities, but they're not there yet.

1149
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,470
Thank you, Rob. So I do want to acknowledge that

1150
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:25,840
we got a question from Janice about solutions for

1151
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,390
affordable housing, especially for first time

1152
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:31,390
buyers and millennials. We did take a look through

1153
01:06:31,390 --> 01:06:34,360
this, and I am going to follow up with some folks

1154
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:38,200
outside the panel. If you I'm not sure if there's

1155
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,440
a way to reach out, but feel free to. And we did

1156
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,720
get some information about the Milton Institute.

1157
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,120
Twenty, twenty one rankings.

1158
01:06:48,540 --> 01:06:51,840
Which coincide with jobs, wages and high tech

1159
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:53,700
growth, as well as housing and housing and

1160
01:06:53,700 --> 01:06:57,360
affordability and broadband access, each county

1161
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,970
has first time homebuyer credit program. So if

1162
01:06:59,970 --> 01:07:02,700
that's I'm not sure if that's helpful, the Milken

1163
01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:05,760
Institute. But if that person reaches out to the

1164
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,400
Q&A and would like my information, I will help

1165
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,410
them find something there.

1166
01:07:13,170 --> 01:07:19,020
I did want to ask Edgar, Dale and Rob. So I'm

1167
01:07:19,020 --> 01:07:21,780
going to start with Edgar on this one. What is one

1168
01:07:21,780 --> 01:07:26,280
specific thing, an action that existing companies

1169
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,740
in the trade space you think can do to help

1170
01:07:28,740 --> 01:07:31,890
industry diversification, so to help other people

1171
01:07:32,220 --> 01:07:36,990
come into this trade space and make us more

1172
01:07:36,990 --> 01:07:41,090
powerful as an existing community. Well, that's

1173
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,360
that's a great question. I I'll tell you one thing

1174
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,120
that is happening in our community and that

1175
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,120
companies are taking action and working on that

1176
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:54,720
field one way that companies can increase industry

1177
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,020
diversification in the space coast. It's obviously

1178
01:07:57,020 --> 01:08:00,410
getting involved in economic development. We are

1179
01:08:00,410 --> 01:08:03,260
our organization is a private public partnership,

1180
01:08:03,260 --> 01:08:06,110
as I mentioned. And we have a tremendous support

1181
01:08:06,110 --> 01:08:08,330
from the private sector, from the community

1182
01:08:08,330 --> 01:08:11,810
leaders, business leaders, companies are they

1183
01:08:11,810 --> 01:08:14,870
believe that by working in diversifying our local

1184
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:17,300
economy, they will do better. They will do better

1185
01:08:17,480 --> 01:08:19,700
in attracting talent, potential business

1186
01:08:19,700 --> 01:08:23,330
opportunities. We are obviously blessed, as I

1187
01:08:23,330 --> 01:08:25,430
mentioned, with that tremendous support that we

1188
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:28,580
get from our local private sector investors in the

1189
01:08:28,580 --> 01:08:33,030
ADC in promoting diversification. The approach we

1190
01:08:33,410 --> 01:08:36,830
could go on to our Web site and you could see the

1191
01:08:36,830 --> 01:08:39,320
tremendous list of private sector investors that

1192
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,020
we have participating in or believing in the

1193
01:08:42,020 --> 01:08:44,930
mission of making our community a more prosperous

1194
01:08:44,930 --> 01:08:48,170
community with more opportunities for everyone. So

1195
01:08:48,650 --> 01:08:51,170
one simple action is just getting involved is not

1196
01:08:51,170 --> 01:08:53,390
necessarily just investing in an ADC. They're

1197
01:08:53,390 --> 01:08:57,240
programs that you can get involved in. That

1198
01:08:57,260 --> 01:08:59,420
Manufacturers Association of the Space Coast is

1199
01:08:59,420 --> 01:09:02,600
one great way of moving forward. The manufacturing

1200
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,270
sector in our community, the many companies

1201
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:10,510
participating in getting that. So, again, we're

1202
01:09:10,590 --> 01:09:13,730
we're very blessed in this community with that

1203
01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:18,020
participation from our private sector. And I'm

1204
01:09:18,020 --> 01:09:20,510
welcome to hear more opinions from the panel as

1205
01:09:20,510 --> 01:09:20,740
well.

1206
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,130
Thank you, Rob. Would you like to hop in there and

1207
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,850
you can apply a work for spin on this if you'd

1208
01:09:29,850 --> 01:09:32,760
like to, and what is like one thing companies can

1209
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:38,640
do to get more involved and and make them work a

1210
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:39,660
greater community across?

1211
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:45,740
That's a tough question, I think Edgar's answer

1212
01:09:45,740 --> 01:09:48,290
was really spot on, but from an internal

1213
01:09:48,290 --> 01:09:52,340
standpoint, when we talk to people who are in the

1214
01:09:52,340 --> 01:09:56,540
contract community, they feel more like trust

1215
01:09:56,540 --> 01:09:59,600
assets than part of the team sometimes. Now, of

1216
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,360
course, I'm talking to the people who are

1217
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,970
disgruntled. So my view, my view is very limited.

1218
01:10:05,300 --> 01:10:08,660
But the resources that, you know, do

1219
01:10:08,660 --> 01:10:12,050
administrative work and human resources work, you

1220
01:10:12,050 --> 01:10:15,530
know, just give some consideration to employee

1221
01:10:15,530 --> 01:10:18,760
engagement, not only diversity, having numbers and

1222
01:10:18,990 --> 01:10:21,920
in having demographic statistics, but actual

1223
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,740
inclusive practices and equitable practices. If

1224
01:10:24,740 --> 01:10:28,070
you've got, you know, any type of employee

1225
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:31,940
engagement processes that would make your team

1226
01:10:31,940 --> 01:10:36,890
members be more of a team that's going to benefit

1227
01:10:36,890 --> 01:10:39,620
you in the long run. If you are a long game player

1228
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:43,060
and you're looking for a sustainable organization,

1229
01:10:43,070 --> 01:10:45,800
a sustainable workforce, if that's your goal, then

1230
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,930
employee engagement is what you need to invest in.

1231
01:10:49,570 --> 01:10:52,510
I love that. Thank you, Rob. Dale, do you want to

1232
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:56,890
hop in on this one? Yeah, I always I guess I was

1233
01:10:56,890 --> 01:11:00,130
looking at it in the context of probably the best

1234
01:11:00,130 --> 01:11:01,870
thing you can do is to help.

1235
01:11:04,130 --> 01:11:11,120
Grow a sense of community within broadly, beyond

1236
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,060
just the business from from a business perspective.

1237
01:11:15,620 --> 01:11:19,610
I always get a little nervous that the end of the

1238
01:11:19,610 --> 01:11:22,100
day, the guy running the business or gal running

1239
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:26,480
the business is first responsibility is to make

1240
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:31,280
money and pay his payroll. So if you're

1241
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,790
hemorrhaging cash, diversification is not really

1242
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:39,530
going to be top of mind. But I think helping

1243
01:11:40,250 --> 01:11:45,740
industries and beyond industries, getting the

1244
01:11:45,740 --> 01:11:49,790
community writ large to understand that business

1245
01:11:49,820 --> 01:11:53,480
is a key component of their well-being as well,

1246
01:11:54,410 --> 01:11:57,620
and getting building that broader community

1247
01:11:57,620 --> 01:11:59,510
interest, which is going to bring a lot of

1248
01:11:59,510 --> 01:12:02,270
conflicting agendas and perspectives to the table.

1249
01:12:02,270 --> 01:12:05,480
And this is not easy and it's not always smooth

1250
01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:10,940
sailing. It's kind of like life. It gets hard

1251
01:12:10,940 --> 01:12:14,540
sometimes and occasionally have some bruised egos

1252
01:12:14,540 --> 01:12:20,030
and sometimes some blood on the floor. But I think

1253
01:12:20,030 --> 01:12:23,750
the more we can get industry and the community

1254
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:27,290
aware, it's like the the affordable housing issue

1255
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,730
that that's in all of our interests to address

1256
01:12:31,730 --> 01:12:32,120
that

1257
01:12:34,370 --> 01:12:37,520
we want to grow. We want to continue to grow space.

1258
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,790
Florida. I when I was chair of Leadership Bovard,

1259
01:12:41,570 --> 01:12:45,350
we really tried to tackle that because I had a

1260
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:48,650
sense that Space Florida was a big part of why

1261
01:12:48,650 --> 01:12:52,670
Northrop Grumman moved their big facility there to

1262
01:12:52,670 --> 01:12:56,300
Melbourne. But concurrently we were attracting

1263
01:12:56,300 --> 01:12:59,870
thousands and thousands of people with six showing

1264
01:12:59,870 --> 01:13:03,590
up with six figure salaries. And that was blowing

1265
01:13:03,590 --> 01:13:05,420
the hell out of the housing market. If you were a

1266
01:13:05,420 --> 01:13:08,390
cop or a teacher or a nurse, you're screwed

1267
01:13:09,230 --> 01:13:11,330
because you now can't afford the house you thought

1268
01:13:11,330 --> 01:13:14,540
you were going to buy a year ago. And that

1269
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trickles down to the people who are actually

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living in in cars. And that's not good for the

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whole community. And, you know, I don't have an

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easy answer for that. But I think the best way to

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address that answer, including the diversification

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question, is to get a build a broader sense of

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community regionally that we all have a stake in

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this. Thank you, Dale. And as we get ready to wrap

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up, I do want to say one of the things that has

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worked for me and I've seen do well in both small

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and large companies is to start from the bottom

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with curiosity. Right. So no matter what level

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that you're in, ask your partners, ask your

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contractors, ask the people that you work with,

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make sure you understand why you're doing what

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you're doing and why you're doing it together. And

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as you do that, it will create opportunities for

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expansion and additional companies to come in.

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Right. So maybe you're doing something that would

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be better done by a small company or a startup or

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an entrepreneurship. Right. So coming at it with a

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curiosity and entrepreneurship mind in the

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everyday work, I think is powerful. I do. It is

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time to wrap up. We've got about one minute left.

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Would anybody like to say anything before we close

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out? Rob, we'll start with you.

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I do want to say one thing about the transition

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from where we started to where we are now

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originally started, start out with numerical

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numbers, just faces at the table. Inclusive

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practices give people a voice at the table. And

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now we're seeing the emergence of equitable

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01:14:56,470 --> 01:15:01,540
practices which are now give inclusive practices

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with a different level, a different standard,

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looking toward that esteem, respect and

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development. So it's a transition we're building.

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We're looking at the whole person mark standpoint

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to maintain that a strong relationship and get to

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those problems more quickly. Thank you so much for

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your time and thank you for include me on the

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panel. Thanks, Rob Dale, any closing remarks?

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No, I think I think we've already sort of touched.

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I think Rob sort of encapsulated it where where we

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need to go individually and within our respective

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organizations

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and after. Thank you, Dale Edgar. We just very

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brave adding on what everyone said. Economic

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development and community making our community

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better is a team sport. So, you know, we just need

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that involvement for everyone. As you mentioned,

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Barbara, that's the different panelist mentioned.

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So it's just the more that companies and

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individuals get involved in our community,

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contributing to improving it will be a stronger

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and a better better. Thank you, Edgar. I think

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that's a beautiful way to sign off this afternoon.

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Thank you, Rob. David Edgar, for your

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participation in this panel. Thank you to everyone

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who tuned in. And thank you for all the questions

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your how did into a break and. Yeah. Thank you so

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much. Thank you for joining us. And we look

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forward to seeing you later on in the conference.

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Thank you, Barbara. Thanks.